DFDuck's #AmiWest98 IRC Conference Logs 11-Jul-98
This is my complete log. Unaltered other than editing out my private messages,
reformatting of text to make it readable (ever try reading an AmIRC log?), and
adding html tags top and bottom. I missed the beginning of both days. I started
logging at 1:15pm the 11th and 10:26am the 12th. If anyone has those times logged
I would really appreciate a copy of them.
«Log» |Logging started at 11-Jul-98 14:48:44.
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«Topic» |Topic for channel #amiwest98 is http://www.amiga.org/webcam <--
|Webcam ; http://www.amiga.org/usergroups <-- Schedule of UGN IRC
|speakers [Next speaker at 2:00PM PST Carl Sassenrath
«Topic» |Topic for channel #amiwest98 has been set by AmiWest on 12:36:36
|11-07-1998
«Names» |Users on #AmiWest98: DFDuck Tolkien KarlosI corsa WowTIP oss542
|MuadDib snapper danm fleg Limpan Logman Scorpio jalvarez laire
|FireSt0rm taza MOD Ronni goody Strider^S Llama RAG LowLevel
|sidewind Satyre AmigaMMC Renton Winter0 DSoft fibbs Merko
|TheBarron Woelfi CyborJim valis Yrag @Jkay rock Kinners @Carl
|Riley sadams T-Rex d9090 ^Moridin mlelstv TRue Beavoid scuz
|Dave_C Flar al^Thor Eric_751 Commish Locutus IcePee sasc
|DrFraggle _bladez_ [Vader] [-sPy-] @TB Skalle
«Names» |Users on #AmiWest98: ActiveLow VideoTeck @Mitchman
«Names» |End of /NAMES list.
al^Thor |Carl, could u tell us what possible future u see for Amiga,
|and/or REBOL?
KarlosI |Carl the cam is messed up again
Carl |Did I ever tell you about the time C= tried to kill CDTV....
|every week for a year.
«Mode» |Current modes for #AmiWest98: topic protection, no messaging
«Mode» |Channel #AmiWest98 was created on 04:47:53 10-07-1998
KarlosI |Carl: And could you ask them to fix the time!!
WowTIP |Carl: No, tell us... :)
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Winter0 |hahahaha, do tell, Carl
Jkay |Carl: nothing like "once me and Dale Luck short-sheeted the cot
|in Irving's office" ...
VideoTeck |ahhhiikes this is close to caos :]
TB |Kar: Cams working fine
laire |Carl: well..i wouldn`t like to know the money they lost with it
Carl |Moridin: 74 acres.... mostly hills. But we do have a pig now.
KarlosI |now it is
^Moridin |:)
sidewind |Carl: any sheep there?
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TB |side: Thats a question id expect from snapper :)
snapper |Money they lost with CDTV ? You must be thinking of CD-i
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TheBarron |TB: sidey was first with the sheep :)
sidewind |TB: well there's 2 of us now ;)
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sidewind |SHEEP
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sidewind |that didn't sound right
TB |Carl: Heard of Jade? If so, do you like it? If not... tsk tsk
WowTIP |sidewind: No, did not... :P
snapper |sidewind now it;s just the two of us ;)
Jkay |Carl: did you know that there is a movement in the community to
|get Jay voted "TIME's Man of the Century" ? Any thoughts on what
|Jay might think of all this hubub?
«Quit» |Tolkien (tolkienarr@ie-193.arrakis.es) has signed off (Provemos
|otro server).
IcePee |I've got a CD32
TB |Ive got 2 :)
Winter0 |bleh.. is there any way to turn off getting "join/leave" messages
|in the window in AmIRC
_bladez_ |gathering dust :)
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IcePee |well I'm using mine now
WowTIP |CyborJim: Yup, noone ever heard of it... :)
^Moridin |I had one
d9090 |My cd32 made a great bbs..
sidewind |my one time fantasy was to put an 060 in my CD-32
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KarlosI |newloo
KarlosI |newlook
fibbs |Winter0: I wish.. it'd make channels like #chatzone and
|#funfactory easier to follow (over 200 people in there)
Carl |Jkay: I can hear Jay's voice.... "who cares"
_bladez_ |side: nah ..PPC dude :)
Winter0 |fibbs: bleh.
Carl |Wasn't much for the press, or fanfare.
sidewind |CD-32 is and always will be my favorite Amiga :)
Carl |or, fanfair.
Carl |who cares
fibbs |Winter0: have you registered amirc? if so ask Olli for that
|feature
KarlosI |RMerlin: I just remember my fature thanks to winter, is it
|possible to add a filter to filter out leaves and joins into
|mindlink...make it an option!!
al^Thor |I think I'll go Iron my hand...At least that'll be more
|interesting/entertaining....
Jkay |heh. now that's a story! now we're cooking with gas
snapper |fibbs God luck , i asked, he said write your own client
sidewind |or maybe the A600
Carl |Jay, was one to pretty much sit at his desk all day with his dog
|and just crank out hardware designs.
fibbs |snapper: err, .. sheesh. are you registered?
TheBarron |snapper: whatever dude!
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fibbs |snapper: did you ask nicely??
TheBarron |Or maybe he just listens to betas better :)
«Away» |[-sPy-] is away: Asleep at the keyboard
snapper |fibbs no, I wrote my own client ;)
fibbs |snapper: haha :)
TheBarron |He implemented a feature for me once in a few minutes.. or maybe
|it was just he fixed one..
RAG |Carl: sounds like me, except the dog... and.. hmm. the hardware
fibbs |how far off is Mindlink from being released?
KarlosI |Olli is is a jerk when it comes to trying take up a respectable
|conversation in e-mail!!
sidewind |C= 128 and Amiga500s always seemed too close
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TheBarron |Karlos: I don't think so.. I think you just don't understand him
snapper |TB Keep watching thw web page
Winter0 |Hey, everyone in here using AmIRC: when you've got time, email
|Olli and ask him for the "no join/leave message" feature
fibbs |hes a complicated man, and no one understands him but his woman
TB |snapper: There is no god :)
sidewind |i hope Amiga lives forever
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KarlosI |TheBarron: Well that may well be but there seems to be a
|communication breakdown somewhere between me and him then!!
^Moridin |Carl: Is it true that it took you two weeks to write the first
|exec?
sidewind |and i never see one in a thrift store
Jkay |Carl: I understand you're famous for the "007 pose" .. can you
|reproduce it for us now? I see you are wearing the correct type
|of collar
snapper |TB What doies God have to do with he uses unix
TheBarron |heh
sidewind |the 'cherry twist'
TheBarron |The Crystal Method :)
sidewind |yea :)
TB |TheB: Ohhhh yeah.
sidewind |hehe
al^Thor |On second thought I'll just go shave my tongue....
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TB |Carl: Whats ya favorite band? :)
Jkay |heh!! I see it coming :)
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KarlosI |Oops the cam messed up
snapper |TB If I wanted alame kernel i would use one, but after 20 years,
|I'll settle for nothing less than Exec... blame Carl ;)
Jkay |it's a 30 sec update ..
fibbs |TB: which do you prefer, undies or boxers?
TB |kar: Your paranoid :)
TB |Fib: neither ;)
Jkay |thats a keeper. thanks carl. ;)
fibbs |TB: haha :)
KarlosI |TB: I said it messed up...I didn't say it stay like that!! :+/
TheBarron |jkay: it's stuck here..
Carl |Two weeks for the first exec.... many months for the second....
|more for the third. That was the final release.
KarlosI |jkay: sorry I missed ti I only got part of the pciture
Spooky |2.00PM... what's them time over there ATM, pls?
^Moridin |Thankz
«Nick» |zag is now known as Gaz.
Carl |Thanks snapper.
Jkay |KarlosI: just hit reload and the image will finish
oss542 |Carl: Good Morning from Nara
KarlosI |jkay to late
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KarlosI |it update already
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TheBarron |jkay: I'm stuck on an old picture for a while here..
sidewind |Powered by Snapper.. sounds like a new cereal
oss542 |Harv....Good Morning
Jkay |KarlosI: last conf, Tekmage tried to DCC me a 16 meg image
|archive from the webcam so I could distribute it. Im keeping my
|own archive this time
KarlosI |jkay: kOol
KarlosI |Hi Harv
Harv |hi kids
Carl |Now, can you read that REBOL listing that's hanging behind my
|head. It contains the passwords to all of the microsoft httpd
|servers worldwide.
snapper |sidewand Buy the right one, you don;t want to end up mowing your
|feet off ;)
KarlosI |Hi Olaf
Jkay |nothing worse than watching 16 megs crwl in at 500cps from some
|cell modem in oshosh
Jkay |oshkosh
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KarlosI |Kids? :+)
sidewind |wow
KarlosI |jkay: err umm ouch....
sidewind |105 today
sidewind |hot
Winter0 |Carl: i'm having trouble reading it... you wanna list it in the
|channel? :)
TB |;)
WowTIP |Heh! :)
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TheBarron |this sucks
^Moridin |Carl: Was the first exec written in asm or BCPL?
Winter0 |TheBarron: what sucks?
Carl |Are we still live?
goody |yes
TheBarron |the cam is screwed up here
snapper |ewww, there;s that dirty accronym ;)
_bladez_ |alive and kicking :)
«Nick» |fleg2 is now known as gelf.
TheBarron |prolly just NS, but it was working fine earlier
Carl |Moridin. ASM. Please!
KarlosI |bah
Carl |(BCPL was Tripos... from Metacompco)
snapper |BCPL is a 4 letter word ;0
^Moridin |Oki. Thanks
Carl |Jkay.... so now you know.
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TB |Carl: COBOL is an honarary 4 letter word :)
sadams |Winter0: neither do I
Carl |So, now that I'm here at AmiWest, what should I buy for my kids?
TB |Will rebol be?
Jkay |Carl: yes. Who would have thought that the passwords would be the
|text to Mien Kampf!
TB |damn...food buring
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sadams |A4000/040
fibbs |Carl: CyberVisionPPC 8mb!
TheBarron |Jkay: it all makes sense..
fibbs |Carl: and buy me one too while your at it. :-)
KarlosI |Carl: Send me a 060 cpu!!
snapper |Rebol is 5 letters, Sheep is 5 letters... coincidence.. I think
|not
sadams |PicassoIV
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KarlosI |Carl: No really I need a new 060 cpu!!
KarlosI |;)
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sadams |OS5
TB |damn nick completion.
fibbs |what time is it in PST?
^Moridin |I need a new PPC card
TheBarron |Jkay: though I have to wonder about your knowing the text of that
|book..
KarlosI |I dun need the card just the cpu!! ;)
DFDuck |03:04 pst
Jkay |I dont care what anyone says .. a guy who has his own programming
|shack is OK by me
KarlosI |Jkay: agreed
laire |Carl: buy them a PPC card and finance my non existing kids
sadams |Death Certificate for M$
DFDuck |err 15:05 rather...
fibbs |DFDuck: 3am ?
TheBarron |sure.. now the cam is working..
TB |jk: ass kisser :)
fibbs |DFDuck: ah.
sadams |US!
^Moridin |lol
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Carl |PDT is +7:00 from GMT
TheBarron |I see Commando
fibbs |oh wow! carl's _drinking_ ! (most excitement I've had this
|morning)
Jkay |TB: oo yeah, I need to be nice to Carl or I'll be fired from my
|job as a domestic engineer :)
snapper |laire Sell the Ferrari and finance yourself
^Moridin |When will REBOL be available?
TB |jk: hehehehe :)
Riley |carl. more like -7
Carl |TB: music is going.
KarlosI |Carl: What's the different between a red pass and a green pass
|around your guy's neck?
Winter0 |Carl: well, seeing as how you're one of the programmers primarily
|responsible for the computer sitting before me, i figured you'd
|be a good person to ask this: how does one get into programming?
| where does one *start?*
WowTIP |Carl: I think you should change your slogan: "REBOL - The
|language of the free"...
TB |Carl: Woohoo, which one? The funcy music of the Scala music? :)
KarlosI |Winter: With the bascis!! ;)
TB |and yes, funcy is spelt with a c in this case
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Winter0 |KarlosI: thanks. ;)
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Winter0 |thank you, TheBarron :)
Carl |Winter0: Start with REBOL
TheBarron |heh
Winter0 |hahahaha
Gaz |hehe
TheBarron |then give him a copy :)
Winter0 |thanks, Carl. ;)
_bladez_ |lol
KarlosI |Carl: We would if we had an Amiga version of REBOL
Jkay |Carl: I dont think you replied earlier; your re-emergence into
|the Amiga community is setting you up for cult hero status along
|the lines of Dave Haynie. Do you realise this, and do you intend
|to use your new powers for good or evil?
_bladez_ |when shall we see the infamous REBOL in real life? ;)
Carl |The Amiga version will be ready the same time any version is
|ready.
KarlosI |rotflol
snapper |Karlosl There is, be patient for the beta release
Carl |Or maybe, ever so slightly before that.
TB |If REBOL realy is that easy, it'd be good for me. I couldnt code
|if I tried, unless Im using the Jade enviroment (plug).
WowTIP |The dark side of the force is terribly strong...
KarlosI |TB: heh
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^Moridin |Carl: Any timeline?
laire |Wow: and it`s more fun
Carl |Jkay.... re-emergence, eh?
KarlosI |Carl: What's the different between a red pass and a green pass
|around your guy's neck?
TheBarron |TB: oh-kay.. do tell about Jade :)
Winter0 |Carl: was your "start with REBOL" comment purely jest or ??
WowTIP |Gaz: Don't... Java rocks, but JVM sucks...
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Carl |Another drink.
snapper |Carl Need those notes ;)
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DFDuck |I'm waiting for REBOL too. Been hacing out arexx since '87 and am
|told REBOL is more powerful and compact.
Gaz |WowTIP: hmm? how can you have java without a jvm
WowTIP |laire: yeah, ask Bill G, he's got some money... ;)
TB |TheB: Ya mean the OO development enviroment made by Cardinal
|which kicks ass? (http://www.jade.co.nz) ? ;)
Carl |Java is a good sys-prog language... but it's pretty uptight and
|hampered.
TheBarron |TB: I just have to wonder if I really care :)
_bladez_ |tb: well port it over to the amiga dude :)
Gaz |Carl: atleast amiga users wont be stuck for software on java tho
TB |bla: Theres already an Amiga machine there!!!
WowTIP |Gaz: I mean, JAVA (the language) rocks, but when you run ith
|through JVM it gets awfully slow...
_bladez_ |tb: cool ... maybe i'll be able to try to patch a smalltalk in
|there ;)
WowTIP |Gaz: Learn ASM and make a JAVA-compiler for amiga... ;)
Gaz |WowTIP: i see.. but thats how all java is ran isnt it? its
|compiled just in time in a jvm?
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laire |Wow: Bill just took the chance everybody else in the business
|which is no moaning would have taken too...if they had seen it:-)
TB |Bla: Theres an 060 4k on the cardinal network, however getting it
|ported is something esle :) Which is anoying as its the most
|popular lang here.
Gaz |WowTIP: maybe i will ;).. but im waiting for h&p's effort first
|;)
WowTIP |GAz: Yeah, and that's what makes it slow... :o/
Gaz |WowTIP: depends if they release JVMPPC ;-))))
_bladez_ |tb: where is here? NZ?
Jkay |Carl: Maybe you don't know. By showing up at Amiga conventions,
|and being vocal in the community while promoting REBOL you will
|effectively become a cult worship figure .. you're like an Old
|One returning to save us. In short, expect a lot of attention
WowTIP |Gaz: Bah... Got me... ;)
Jkay |from half crazed amiga users loking for holy relics in your
|lunchbox
TB |bla: yup. Its so popular we have Jade Statium :)
Gaz |WowTIP: hehe
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Gaz |'a cult worship figure' ? hehehe
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snapper |Of course the neatest thing about Rebol is that it empowers you
|the user to do things you've had to rely on full blown developers
|to provide you... no more begging for simple little applications
|that may or maynit work and may or may never getted fixed, a 5
|year old can write Rebol code....
^Moridin |Whats Jade?
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_bladez_ |tb: hehe ... what oo language is it based on .. if any?
Carl |The REBOL concepts go far beyond java.... for the types of
|intercommunications what would be of interest to most of you.
WowTIP |What's the clock at AMIWEST?
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Jkay |WowTIP: 1510
TheBarron |you're really stuck on that 'intercommunications' word, aren't
|you? :)
Gaz |imho Java is what amiga needs, and it needs it now
KarlosI |heh that clock still syas it's 3 in the morning where carl is!!
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WowTIP |Jkay: Ok, here it's 00.12... *yawn*
TheBarron |snapper: well.. we're all waiting to see if that's so :)
KarlosI |GAZ: I have the impression rebol will be that and more!!
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TB |bla: jade :) Its a Delphi beater. You can do things like code
|in UML and it will work like a CASE tool, or in Jade, or visualy,
|anyway ya like. Can generate an interactive webased database
|with windows gui in under 3 mins.
Gaz |I dont...
Carl |Ok, so now I'll be turning control over the Cindy, our REBOLess
|COO of the company.
^Moridin |When can we expect ANY version of rebol?
TheBarron |Alldat n Mo
«Nick» |Carl is now known as Cindy.
snapper |TheBarron But you;r only 4½
TheBarron |snapper: dOH!
KarlosI |Awww.. ;)
snapper |he he he
TB |Bye Carl, Hi Cindy :)
Winter0 |oh
Winter0 |wait. heh... just read the above msg. ;)
Spooky |Can anyone pls gimme the URL of Rebolpage again? I'm getting
|hungry for info again ;)
d9090 |Hi, Cindy.
KarlosI |Looks like CIndy has herslef a drink too
fibbs |Winter0: hes an alien. he can change his sex at will.
Cindy |No, he delegated the typing to his better half.
KarlosI |herself even
Spooky |re Cindy
goody |www.rebol.com
TB |www.rebol.com? ;)
Kinners |spooky: www.rebol.com?
snapper |Hello Hot Babe ;)
_bladez_ |easy enough to remember =)
TheBarron |http://www.rebol.com ?
TheBarron |I just wanted to do it too..
Spooky |Goody, Kinners ao: Didn't remember that it was that easy :)
WowTIP |Bah, Netscrap fucks up my webcampics... :(
TB |snap: And thats why your not invited to parties ;)
Cindy |I don't usually participate in these types of interactions so I
|don't know what to type
CyborJim |I just came back from www.rebol.com. Good disign and very good
|content.
TB |Cin: how bout who you are? Thats normal a good start
KarlosI |Cindy: Just be friendly and interact like your talking to anothe
|rperson beside you!!
Cindy |Does anybody want to know anything embarrassing about Carl?
WowTIP |Cindy: Introduce yourself... ;)
Winter0 |YEAH!
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_bladez_ |cybor: but has it been updated of late :)
^Moridin |YES
snapper |Well, what can I say, Carl know's how to pick more than the right
|opcodes
TheBarron |cindy: SEE, you DO know :)
Winter0 |hehehe
KarlosI |Cindy: hehe
KarlosI |DO I see Carl blushing in the background? ;+P
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Cindy |I'm in trouble now.
TB |Carls secret is out, Exec is coded in AMOS :)
WowTIP |DAMN netscrap... :o/
TheBarron |heh
snapper |Did you bring the kids ?
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^Moridin |LOL
KarlosI |lol
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WowTIP |Haha... Rotfl... :)
Winter0 |Exec is coded in AMOS... so THAT'S why he couldn't give me real
|programming tips. :)
Ratleto |hehehe
Cindy |No, the kids are visiting friends so I can take care of my oldest
|kid (Carl)
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TB |Cin: Ok, give us some dirt :)
snapper |Cindy is it true Carl snores ?
Jkay |OH! Are you Mrs Sassenrath?
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TheBarron |jkay: slow today? :)
KarlosI |Hey did I see Holger somehwhere in the background?
pantheon |Carl/Cindy: Does REBOL incur a significant amount a latency
|versus natively compiled apps, ie. apps written in C, and have
|you written a handler module for Apache for REBOL yet?
Gaz |is there an atari lynx emualtor for amiga?
Jkay |hey, I didnt know :)
KarlosI |Ooh I guesss he's gone
Cindy |I met Carl in 1980 while we were working for HP in Cupertino and
|it was love at first sight.
TB |pan: Your slow today ted.
DrFraggle |Can YOU tell us the difference between the passes? :)
pantheon |teeb: kids are around
TheBarron |he
Kinners |spooky: www.rebol.com
Kinners |spooky: www.rebol.com
Cindy |Carl doesn't snore if he has his special pillow
KarlosI |Cindy has a blue one....and Carl has a green one
Kinners |whoops.. sorry about that
TheBarron |later
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CyborJim |I'll have to put a sticker on my web page to www.rebol.com.
Jkay |Cindy: what was your reaction when he first told you that he
|wanted to build a shack out back? :)
TB |Cin: So, how often can you pull Carl away from his Amigas? :)
Spooky |Carl/Cindy: I just read on the webpage, REBOL will be free for
|non-commercial purposes. How will you be able to stay alive
|without having to ask for large fees to they who want to use it
|commercially?
Cindy |The passes are color coded, green for presenters or exhibitors,
|blue for full access, & red for one day only
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Jkay |ted: carl is gone for now
KOALA_ |hi....
sadams |hey, KOALA
Jkay |he walked away
sidewind |hello
KOALA_ |what did i miss...?
TB |Cin: What did you do at HP?
KarlosI |Cindy: Are we besiege you with too many questions?
sadams |ntm
sidewind |howdy Cindy :)
KOALA_ |hey sadams....i just entered for 1 minute....any new?
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Cindy |The shack was built before our house as a pump shed, to get power
|we had to have a legitimate need and a finaled building.
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pantheon |jk: ok
KarlosI |Cindy is sad now!!
sadams |not really, stay tuned
peer |Hehe... /me thought about those colours... thought it was like
|Robert jordans Ajahs... ;)
Winter0 |anyone have a recommendation on what software to use on my Amiga
|for viewing the web cam?
Jkay |Cindy: ok, so he didnt approach you one day and say "dear ... I
|need a shack"
Cindy |After the house was complete and Carl redid the shed as an office
|to work without n
Cindy |the normal interruptions.
Dave_C |WebTC
Dave_C |ooops
Dave_C |WebTV
Dave_C |working great here
fibbs |Winter0: any browser.. just hit reload to get an update
pantheon |aweb
peer |Then Cindy is blue Ajah & carl was green... :)
^Moridin |peer: Then where is the blacks
Cindy |He still has many computers in the loft of our bedroom for
|inspired moments.
goody |Winter0: Aweb, or any other web browser capable of viewing pix.
KOALA_ |so what new!!!???
Winter0 |ok, thanks ppl
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Cindy |Jkay: no
TB |CIn: I certainly hope you've never heard "Not tonight honey, Ive
|got a program"
Jkay |Cindy: :)
sadams |Winter0: www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
Jkay |TB:
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Cindy |I have a s/w background and am the second person to write a REBOL
|Script!
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TB |jk: May I just say, when you said that, I did :)
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sadams |winter: Haven't mastered WebTV yet :(
Cindy |TB: NEVER
KOALA_ |ssososososososo???
laire2 |sigh...Intuition deadlock
KOALA_ |any new...i must know?
Jkay |KOALA_: we're getting the dirt right now from Mrs Sassenrath
TB |Cin: is it true your the brains of the family?
KOALA_ |jkay:oki....
sadams |KolalA: no...stick around like we are to find out
Winter0 |TB: isn't it obvious? ;)
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KOALA_ |jkay:but any speach that has make a sense?
sidewind |not very many women can write in Rebol
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TB |side?
KarlosI |side: let alone program
Cindy |I don't like to be called Cin - no I am the grounding force
|behind Carl's high flying ideas
Jkay |KOALA_: Amiga Incorporated pretty much bailed on the show. Only
|Bill McEwen has shown up.
_bladez_ |side: no many people can atm full stop :(
KOALA_ |jkay:oki
sidewind |true
_bladez_ |jkay: other more important demands like winning over some
|business :)
Jkay |KOALA_: other than that, they can't comment on contracts which
|are unsigned.
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|timeout).
KarlosI |Hmm Paul is heaing to amiwestta soon
KOALA_ |well so i'll come back tomorrow...to see what happened.....thanx
|!
KOALA_ |jkay:i understand....
TB |Paul?
KarlosI |TB: what irc program?
^Moridin |Nolan?
KOALA_ |bye to all!!!!!
KarlosI |Photogenics Paul
TB |Kar: Thats a secret :) But I do have a beta of Mindlink here.
sidewind |Cindy: do you think being married is smart or is it better to be
|single and a genius?
Cindy |bye to all from me as well
KOALA_ |LONG LIVE TO AMIGA....THE KING OF COMPUTERS!!!!!
KOALA_ |BYE
KarlosI |TB: hehe.....
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|BABY.....).
Cindy |nick/amiwest
DrFraggle |BYeby cindy :)
KarlosI |cy cindy
Kreator |King Nothing.....
Cindy |nick: amiwest
Ratleto |›10;0;65535;33024;0;0;647742393;271509|
Winter0 |heh
TB | /nick amiwest
_bladez_ |hehe
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KarlosI |Rat: shutdown that M$ crap MSChat proggy
Ratleto |hm?
«Nick» |Cindy is now known as caldi.
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TB |Caldi!
sidewind |caldi re
sidewind |!
_bladez_ |hi caldi
fibbs |KarlosI: is it meant to be like that? I saw another MSchat person
|sending out f---ked up crap the other day
caldi |Hello
sidewind |DenJS re!
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KarlosI |tb: paul nolan ;) Forgot his least name!
caldi |notice you can't see me on the cam :)
sidewind |Hogan.. i called him once
snapper |caldi So what do you think of Carl now that you've met him ?
_bladez_ |fibbs: M$ is farked full stop with the crap they put out ://
KarlosI |fibbs: MSChat is a comic strip like chat progy
KarlosI |with gfx
TB |Caldi: So, when you moving to AI HQ? ;)
sidewind |are you guys on real Amigas?
KarlosI |side: of course
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^Moridin |yup
VideoTeck |side: sure
Kreator |side: yeap... always
_bladez_ |side: of course we can see the amigas they're using :)
KarlosI |what do you think we're on?
fibbs |KarlosI: oh, sounds cool..
fibbs |KarlosI: but not good for IRC.
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TB |Of course
DenJS |Amiga Rulez, Amiga alive
DenJS |cya
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sidewind |what do you think of emulators?
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TB |They are a needed evil
sidewind |it isn't the same thing is it? (runnin winUAE with a modem?) :)
taza |sidey: future of New Amigas for running Legacy software...
^Moridin |To rise out of the ashes like the Amiga
AmigaMMC |side: I wish :-(
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Kreator |side: they're ok as far as they run on my amiga :)
sidewind |taze: interesting!
sidewind |brb
Spooky |Gnite *
goody |only lamers sit in front of a web cam without being seen. ;)
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TB |Mano: ha ha
Locutus |whoa, two passes :)
Manowar2 |TB:it`s a free-world :)
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Jkay |CALDI CAM
TB |Pitty p5 aint ;)
d9090 |Anyone.. are there any other channels besides #amiwest98 and
|#amiwestta
scuz |d9090: /list
snapper |ya #amiga
snapper |type /list
KarlosI |#amiga
_bladez_ |are they press releases everyone is reading on the web cam :)
TB |Tekmage: Pull in ya gut! :)
snapper |No, it's the banquet menu... anyone turning green yet ;)
AmigaMMC |d9090: There's #MMC, but only two people there right now
KarlosI |snapper: you still hanging around
MOD |all: Any breathtaking News yet?
fibbs |AmigaMMC: hm, lemme guess..you and someone else? possibly a bot?
|hehe :-)
_bladez_ |tb: we've already had the closeup of 'that' gut so its no so bad
|at that distance =)
TB |Who the hell is that?
«Topic» |caldi sets topic to http://www.amiga.org/webcam <-- Webcam ;
|http://www.amiga.org/usergroups <-- Schedule of UGN IRC speakers
|[Next speaker at 4:00PM PST Fletcher Haug of Amiga inf
KarlosI |hey it's caldi
fibbs |MOD: Carl's an alien. He turns cows insideout.
TB |McDs!
KarlosI |on the webcam
caldi |its caldi'es nose
goody |Amiga inf?
snapper |is that a zit
TB |informer
TB |?
KarlosI |informer
caldi |http://www.amigainformer.com/ (maybe)
goody |Who is the ugly mug on the cam?
StriderSR |ppl what time now?
KarlosI |Caldi: get back into the view of the cmamera!! ;)
Manowar2 |what causes ramlib guru ?
Jkay |I dont think Carl believed me when I tried to warn him about
|amiga fanboys .. oh well. :)
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Locutus |Manowar: ppc
snapper |bad progrmming
TB |Cold machine :)
KarlosI |mano: arrggg lousy programming I hear
Ratleto |later..
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|http://amiga.nvg.org/RAMS/).
KarlosI |bbl
Manowar2 |MCP cancels ram lib guru and all WarpUP software works again on
|new flashrom PPC
_bladez_ |darn the web cam seems to have stall :(
TB |nope
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Manowar2 |so what`s happening at AmiWest exactly ?
Winter0 |Jkay: amiga fanboys? what do you mean by that? ;)
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Tom-- |hi all
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Tom-- |is there any news?
Tom-- |important news?
Winter0 |Tom--: not yet. ;P
goody |winter: I think he meant to say cult folowers not fanboy
_bladez_ |thats better WebTV stopped updating the pic for some reason :(
Aragorn |Do the webcam pics get updated automatically in my browser?
sasc |whee
mlelstv |aragorn, at least they get updated in netscape
goody |Aragorn depends on the page you are using.
Aragorn |Cool. I'm using Netscape 4.04 on my laptop now.
snapper |Al right sasc is finally here, start the strip show boy, i've
|been waiting all day
sasc |eh?
sadams |Aragon: U need to close the image, and then re-log on to the web
|page
caldi |hellol
sasc |what ever it is, I didn't do it
_bladez_ |lol
«Nick» |caldi is now known as amiwest.
Commish |Aragorn: with IBrowse also
mlelstv |sadams, no
KarlosI |l8tr dudes
Aragorn |Thanks. Commish.
amiwest |anyone looking at the cam?
Aragorn |That would be Ibrowse 1.2 right?
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sasc |I am
mlelstv |amiwest, yes
sasc |=)
sadams |mlelstv: how then, please?
amiwest |see the nice guy to tek's left?
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TB |no
amiwest |that is Bill McEwen from Amiga Inc.!
TB |ahhh, Hi Bill.
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_bladez_ |which person is bill?
amiwest |anyone want to talk to him?
amiwest |bottom left had side
mlelstv |sadams, the server pushes the images. no need to do anything.
TB |ami: of course... but does he want to speak to us? :)
sadams |never mind, he's usin' Netscape Navigator
«Nick» |amiwest is now known as Bill.
TB |Hi Bill
VideoTeck |howdy
Locutus |mlestv: the server doesn't push the images
Caster |amiwest: yes, just ask him what's thekernel of os4.0 :)
TB |JavaOS ;)
goody |red shirts, light blue shirts, who?
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oss542 |Good Morning Mr McEwen
Bill | Is that a question about OS 4.0?
mlelstv |locutus, then the browser does a refresh...
Caster |TB: is taht true ?
_bladez_ |hmm .. we do have a crowd in front of the web cam :)
Locutus |mlelstv: right :)
VideoTeck |bill: can you tell us what three kernels are left ?
TB |caster: maybe... maybe not.
TB |Unless Bill says yes, it aint :)
Caster |tb: :)
mlelstv |locutus, a 30 second refresh
Bill |We have it down to three, but you should see the final selection
|by the end of the month
TB |Bill: Is it true that darreck steals office supplys? ;)
Winter0 |hahaha
VideoTeck |bill: yes but what three, or are you under NAD on that too
Bill |Yes, and he is responsible for all of the recent T-Shirt loss
|also.
fibbs |Bill: haha, in "2 weeks" then? :)
Kinners |Bill: What are the chances of getting some great news today?
Bill |A this point and time it would be bad to send you in any
|direciton as far as the kernal.
sadams |nil
TB |Bill: You just broke the Amigas #1 rule. never say when news is
|coming :)
mlelstv |fibbs, everything happens either "real soon now" or "in two
|weeks"
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|me into its comfortable hyperspace bubble.).
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Bill |Concerning the kernel I can tell you that we are in contract
|negotions, and it should be resolved quickly.
fibbs |Bill: can you tell us whats being considered?
Caster |Bill: what is the MMC ? :)
jalvarez |can anybody tell me the http: for WebCam?
sasc |jalvarez: it's in the topic
goody | /topic will tell you addy for webcam
fibbs |Bill: So far I think we suspect BeOS, Linux/some form of Unix,
|JavaOS..
VideoTeck |bill: what about the "mystery" chip, is it a DSP ?
sadams |www.amiga.org/webcam/cam.jpg
mlelstv |jal, http://www.amiga.org/webcam/
Aragorn |It's www.amiga.org/webcam
snapper |Well, he could, but you probabyl wouldn;t like being shot dead
TB |Bill: Whens Jeffs newsletter coming out? Its a month late.
Jkay |At the Toronto show, Joe Torre mentioned Beos and JavaOS .. plus
|one more which escapes me. oh, Linux
Bill |We still connot release the information on the MMC. It is under
|very strict NDA. We are alos looking at more than one.
TB |BeOS is a bad choice... JavaOS and Linux arent to bad.
fibbs |Bill: different superchips??
fibbs |:)hehe!
Jkay |MMC = Magical Mystery Chip ?
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sadams |:)
goody |I hope linux gets the bid
fibbs |Jkay: Mystery Monster Chip
sadams |roll up.....
TB |Stonecrayfish is cooler
Bill |Jeffs letter is being edited. Would you like one from me.
_bladez_ |what about the mach kernel.. i think that was one of the ones
|being considered.
mlelstv |goody, what for ?
Caster |Bill: would it be possible to run os4.0 on A4000? maybe with a
|ppccc card ?
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sasc |I would =)
sadams |roll up for the Mystery Chip...
VideoTeck |bill: but you can say if it is a DSP or not ?
Phenix |hi ALL 8
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Phenix |hi ALL 8
Phenix |hi ALL !
Phenix |:)
TB |Bill: Sure!
fibbs |Caster: if that A4000 had a PC emulator.... :)
goody |mlelstv the kernal
sadams |hey, Phenix
Locutus |i like Stonecrayfish too
mlelstv |goody, do you a slight idea about what "a kernal" is ? :)
Bill |Caster: OS 4.0 eill not run on PPC
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TB |I say Stonecrayfish should be the official OS5 project name!
goody |mlelstv yes
Jkay |bladez: the Mach kernel was a part of the study groups'
|recommendations to Amiga Inc. It was never considered.
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Caster |bill: so their will be no bridge machine by phase5 ?
TB |Mach has stopped development
Aragorn |So what's the offical CPU of next gen Amigas?
Bill |Jkay: I am not aware of a study document to AMIGA INC.
TB |Unknown yet
mlelstv |aragorn, none
Phenix |If you want the lasted game of Deathless Software (Doktor) go ot
|: http://perso.club-internet.fr/parzys/dts/
_bladez_ |jkay: ah bummer .. how come?
snapper |Bill Consultants reports commisioned byy Jeff end of last year
Bill |Aragon: The Next Gen Amiga's chip is still be annonced.
Aragorn |Will it be annoucned today?
VideoTeck |bill: where is jeff and havemose right now ?
Phenix |today ? really ?
TB |Bill: Is it true, fleecy doesnt have enuff hair? :)
Aragorn |Or anytime sooon?
Manowar2 |Bill:are there talks between AI and PHASE5 and H&P ?
Bill |Aragon: The chip specs that we are looking at will be announced,
|but not the Mfr's
snapper |Bill The ones that gor tossed in favour of the current plan ;)
Aragorn |Ok,
Bill |VideoTek: Jeff is working on contracts, and Alla is working on
|code.
VideoTeck |bill: okey
Bill |TB: Yes
Locutus |Bill: when will the specs be anounced? :)
TB |:)
_bladez_ |jkay: any ideas why the people behind the mach kernel stopped
|development?
Bill |Locutus: The performance numbers are being announced toniught
TB |Hello!
Winter0 |Bill: they're beeing announced FOR SURE? :)
sadams |on this very channel?
Manowar2 |Bill:are there talks between AI and PHASE5 and H&P ?
Jkay |bladez: I was actually unaware that it had been stopped. someone
|else said that, not me
Bill |Manowar2: We have continuing talks
Jkay |TB said that
TB |jk: I said what?
Bill |Winter): Absolutely tonight.
sadams |or do we have to scrambl eabout like we did to find this one?!
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_bladez_ |jkay: ahh .. cause i thought apple were also looking at the mach
|kernel for their os as well?
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Jkay |TB: that MACH had stopped development.
Locutus |hello pOMAc
Jkay |just 3 minutes ago
TB |Jk: yeah :)
Jkay | :)
pOMAc |Locutus
Winter0 |Bill: well, at least we're getting SOMETHING . :)
Bill |Winter0: Would it help to have the announcements put up on the
|net?
sasc |you guys are ruthless =)
VideoTeck |bill: if there are several super chips do this mean they have
|almost same performance ?
Winter0 |Bill: yes. :)
MOD |Where can I read the latest AmiWest-News on the Web? URL?
TB |Bill: I can have the Info spread to 150+ User groups within
|minutes of you saying the numbers if I get a text version
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d9090 |Bill.. Did I understand correctly, there may be more than one
|possible MMC with these performance numbers being looked at still?
fibbs |MOD: I dont think logs will appear on the web for a few days
Bill |VideoTeck: We have certain performance criteris that are mins
|that they must meet.
sadams |MOD: Ur there
Winter0 |Bill: i would distribute it myself to everyplace i know
|(including M$, just to stick it to 'em. ;)
fibbs |MOD: but keep an eye on www.amiga.org/news.shtml and
|www.cucug.org/aminew.html
VideoTeck |bill: ahh okey
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Manowar2 |Bill:will the new Amiga be distributed worldwide ?
Bill |Winter0: Let's keep M$ pout of this they have enough going on
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Bill |Manowar2: Absolutely
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sadams |hi Phongo
Manowar2 |Bill:will u make contacts before the release date ?
sidewind |re
Winter0 |Bill: heh.. true. ;)
Bill |d9090: Yes
sidewind |hey BIll
fibbs |argh I'd love to see Amigas in new zealand shops again
VideoTeck |bill: do you/AI plan a wide base of computers or only high tech,
|and who will come first if there are several. The high tech or
|the low price ones
Bill |Manowar2: Explain what you mean
d9090 |Bill.. different companies, or different options fromthe same
|company, or both?
Bill |d9090: Differnet compnaies
TB |Fib: I am considering selling them in NZ if they are released
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Manowar2 |Bill:I mean will u choose the distributers before the Amiga NG is
|released...and who`ll do the advertising ?
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Bill |VideoTeck: That the power of the OS. It can be both at the low,
|and the high.
fibbs |TB: not by mail order I hope.. we need dedicated amiga shops
TB |fib: BTW, Amiga is VERY popular here so AI should be putting alot
|here
fibbs |TB: mail order wont attract new customers
TB |fib: a shop would be nice...
fibbs |TB: very popular _where_ ?
fibbs |TB: christchurch?
Bill |Manowar2: Distribution of the hardware ois handled by Petro
Aragorn |I want to see at least one Amiga shop in New York again.
TB |yup.
Jkay |Bill: when you say the New Amiga will be distributed worldwide
|... WHAT new Amiga? Amiga INc is a tech and licensing company ..
|who's building the new Amiga?
VideoTeck |bill: who will produce the computers ? Pc manufacturers
fibbs |TB: true? you got a few active hundred amiga users there?
TB |Fibs: We have arcade games here run by Amigas, everything heres
|done by Amigas... its Amiga central :)
sidewind |the only real solution in my op is mass marketing
Zonkk |I want Amiga`s back in South Africa
fibbs |TB: whoa cool
TB |fib: 50+ every UG night.
Manowar2 |BILL:will Gateway manufacture Amigas ?
AmigaMMC |The MMC debate is open at #MMC
Winter0 |Manowar2: excellent question
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Bill |Jkay: The next machine is coming from Amiga. This is the 5.0
|development system. The NG will be through third partis.
Winter0 |Bill: yes, who will be making the PC half of the os4 box? Gwtk,
|i assume?
Bill |Manowar2: We do not know
Aragorn |I thought I read an article a while ago that Gateway planned on
|making their own line of Amigas and had reconsidered just
|licensing the technology.
sidewind |by creating an illusion that people are a part of something
|again.. people love that..
fibbs |Winter0: I'm not ordering a PC from overseas.. I'll buy OS4.0 and
|the Siamese PCI separately. :)
Winter0 |hehehe
Winter0 |good point. :)
Bill |Aragorn: They have been alot written, but little is true
TB |fib: OS4 hardware is available in auckland.
Jkay |Bill: I see. so the GW-PC/Siamese system is actually going to
|roll off gateway lines .. or are you going to have an assembly
|shop in your new AMiga HQ?
Bill |TB: What OS4 hardware
fibbs |TB: and at great prices. :)
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sidewind |licencing is good :)
fibbs |Bill: PCs!
VideoTeck |Bill: what about commersials, will there be massive coms on the
|OS or also the 3 party machines ?
Bill |Jkay: I never said that the 5.0 developer system is coming off
|of Gateway's line
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Jkay |no, I know, I was asking that :)
TB |Bill: Just refering to misc PC stuff, including GW stuff... being
|a PC and all. ya know, AGP GW MB etc etc etc.... As for the
|Amiga PCI card, meh...who cares.
sidewind |nothing will ever replace the original Amigas.. but the future is
|never set in concrete
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Bill |VideoTeck: Marketing plans are boinbg developed and worked on.
Manowar2 |Everything is so unclear..still
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Bill |Manowar2: I am trying to make it clearer
snapper |Bill I;m confused, I understood that the development machine was
|OS4 and the BSDx86 based PC and that the AmigaNG was the OS5.0
|with all new OS and the superchip...
goody |I think Manowar2 hit on the crux of the situation
fibbs |TB: I cares... its a good upgrade if you've got a crap amiga like
|me but want cheap 24bit gfx 16bit sound
Winter0 |Bill: how about a FAQ on the OS4 machine? :)
Jkay |Manowar2: well it's obvious that the guy has a lot to say, but
|itsn't allowed to say it yet. I think he's pretty brave to sit
|there and field questions.
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snapper |Bill Are you saying the OS5 box is a development platform rather
|than a final product ?
sidewind |it's not about reconverting ex Amiga owners back to Amiga is it?
Manowar2 |Jkay:I respect Bill.....but that`s not nice....
Winter0 |Jkay: amen to that. i rather feel bad for Bill. :)
Bill |snapper: You are corect. But I want peorple to undersatnd that
|os4.0 is really a 5.0 developer environment and in no way the end
fibbs |thanks for putting up with us Bill, we appreciate your presence
Jkay |snapper: he said "os5 development machine" .. as in "the machine
|on which to develop for os5"
TB |snap: But surly you knew that ;)
Bill |Winter0; Good idea, I will try to get that done next week.
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VideoTeck |Bill: if we take a look at intels/merced and it's delays. Is
|there a possibility for a delay on the "super" chips ?
FireSt0rm |Whatz new?
snapper |Bill OK, so the OS 5 AMiga NG is a final product and thats the
|box you refered to as being built buy AI and distributed
|worldwide ?
d9090 |Bill.. would end users beable to run OS3.1 on the PCI Bridge card
|from Index in their PCs?
sidewind |heh
Bill |snapper: The 5.0 developer platform is the nect release. Then
|5.0 is the Amiga NG using the MMC
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TB |Superchips would be what, Q1'99 for decent models.
Winter0 |Bill: i believe a well done FAQ would really save you a lot of
|time and nasty emails. :)
Bill |VideoTeck: Teh MMC is NOT INTEL. I don't care what delays they
|have they will not affect us
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Locutus |Bill: will the dev software require any amiga hardware?
snapper |Bill Ah, theres the confilct. all the previous info calls it the
|OS4 Bridge Cross Development platform,
Bill |TB: Q2 1999 is target
pantheon |bill: what is Amiga Inc.'s current stance on a potential port of
|OS4/5 to PowerUp?
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Manowar2 |BILL:will there be a end-user AmigaOS from 3rd parties licensed
|by AI...in late 98 or 99 ?
sidewind |where will Amiga stand in 1 year hardware wise?
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VideoTeck |Bill: i know it's not intel but chips have a nasty thing of being
|delayd
VideoTeck |no matter company
Bill |Locutus: I will check
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TB |Bills gotta be a fast typer to keep up with this :)
Bill |Manowar2: Absolutely
Jkay |Looks like his head is about to explode.
Manowar2 |Moderate channel
sidewind |maybe we need to slow down a bit ;)
Jkay |MODERATE
sidewind |?
Aragorn |You the MAN Bill!
Riley |moderate this
Aragorn |Multitaksing!
Winter0 |yes, moderate this.
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TB |Done and Done. Go Bill
Bill |sidewind: Please as you can see tyoing is not a skill requiremtn
|for sales
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TB |Bill: Only you, myself, and Jkay can speak.
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Jkay |now .. folks who would like to ask Bill McEwen a question, please
|msg me NOT withnyou rquestion but witha simple ? <- question MARK
|.. I will place you into the question queue
snapper |Bill So Bridge is now considered OS5 development and AmigaNG is
|OS5 on the real hardware end of next year to be built by Amiga
|inc and distributed worldwide
TB |snap: Fine... happy now?
Jkay |erm .. "not with your question"
Bill |snapper: Yes to the first part. OS 5.0 will be licensed and
|built by third parties.
Jkay |the queue is Manowar, taza, ginger, AmiagMMC
snapper |OS 5 or the hardware
Jkay |and videotec
Jkay |then pantheon and oss542
Bill |snapper: Amiga Inc. will license 5.0 to third paties to build
|machines
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snapper |Bill Thanks, that's what I thought, but it got confusing there
|with the new desgnation
TB |ga?
snapper |ga
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TB |Jk: Whos next?
Jkay |the queue is Manowar, taza, ginger, AmiagMMC, videotec, pantheon,
|oss542, Winter0
Bill |I have time for a couple more quesitons, then its time for
|Fletcher
TB |10 4
TB |damn AmIRC
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TB |go
Manowar2 |Bill:You said there will be a 3rd Party AmigaOS...does that mean
|68K/PPC AmigaOS 3.5 for the end-user ?
Manowar2 |GA
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Bill |Manowar2: I have no news on 3.5 tonight. As far as the third
|party OS, that is not what I said. We will licesne the 5.0 OS to
|third parties.
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Jkay |the queue is taza, ginger, AmiagMMC, videotec, pantheon, oss542,
|Winter0, jalvarez
TB |When finished say GA
Jkay |(Go Ahead)
Bill |GA
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taza |Has AI gained any commitments yet from developer's outside of the
|Amiga community such as Adobe, Avid, Corel, Netscape, Etc ? OR
|even commitments for purchasing OS4 development machines ?
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taza |Go Ahead... :-)
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Bill |taza: All I can say about that, is that the contacts that I have
|had with several third party companies, I have not received a no
|answer to the proposition.
Bill |GA
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Jkay |the queue is ginger, AmiagMMC, videotec, pantheon, oss542,
|Winter0, jalvarez, fibbs
ginger |What is the biggest benefit you see from the MMC, is it for
|games, voice recgonition, a/v work or just general whistles and
|bells to make it a bit faster of flashier?
ginger |GA
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Bill |ginger: It is not a little bit faster, it is absolutley amazing.
Bill |GA
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AmigaMMC |1) Can you confirm that OS5 will be multi-platform (could take
|the place of Solaris when you get this famigerate phone call from
|Sun?) ;-) . 2) Will OS5 be on a Rom on the AmigaMMC? 3) Will I
|get royalties for the use of the acronym MMC? GA
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Bill |AmigaMMC: When OS 5 initially realeses we will target a single
|chip. Then we will open it up.
Bill |GA
Jkay |the queue is videotec, pantheon, oss542, Winter0, jalvarez,
|fibbs, MuadDib
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VideoTeck |bill: Are you sure the "mystery" chip wont be delayed, in that
|case why not ?
VideoTeck |ga
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Bill |VideoTeck: All reports are, and what we have seen shows us that
|they are on time.
Bill |GA
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pantheon |The majority of speculation about OS5 and the MMC has involved
|multimedia and convergence; what can you tell us about the new
|platforms capabilities in the areas of embedded applications,
|embedded routing, internet servers, and the like? GA
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Bill |TB: 2 more
TB |10 4
Jkay |the queue is oss542, Winter0, jalvarez, fibbs, MuadDib
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Bill |pantheon: That is alot for this forum. As far as the target
|market we are targeting the Convergence market. Hottest
|opportunity for $$$$.
Bill |GA
oss542 |Good Morning Mr McEwen...I have software I would like to port to
|the new Amiga, and need the requisite developer info. Is there
|anyone I can contact at AI ?
oss542 |GA
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Bill |pantheon; But the power of Amiga is that is can be applied in
|more thatn the Convergence market.
Bill |GA
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Winter0 |Bill: the OS4 developer machine will be a PC with an "amiga on a
|card" inside. Will these PCs be GW2K or?
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Bill |TB: One more
Winter0 |GA
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Jkay |we skipped os542 ...
Bill |GA
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Bill |Winter0: As previously stated. Gateway is a possible builder, we
|have not decided on a Mfr
Bill |GA
Bill |Ready for Fletcher
TB |Thanks Bill
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TB |Does Fletcher want to be moderated?
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Bill |Also, anyone who has questions that I did not get to, please
|e-mail me at billm@amigainc.com.
Bill |Yes, Fletcher wants to be moderated
TB |Your wish is my command
Bill |Thank's for the questions, and I will get more information posted
|next week.
«Nick» |Bill is now known as fletcher.
Jkay |the queue for fletcher haug is forming up
fletcher |BTW, I'm from the informer magazine.
TB |flet: Would you like to do a small intro on yourself for us?
Jkay |fletch owns/runs the Amiga Informer .. a widely read Amiga zine
|here in north america
Jkay |oops sorry :)
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fletcher |Jkay got it right. Getting widre in audience also, I trust!
Jkay |the question queue is Pantheon, taza
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Jkay |fletcher: resend that advertising fax to me.. you hit my voice
|number with it :)
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Jkay |TB ... you going to voice again?
TB |Ok, if people got questions. You know the drill.
TB |JK: 10 4
Jkay |the question queue is Pantheon, taza
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pantheon |Hi Fletcher, your mag is tops! What special plans do you have in
|store for your readers in the coming months?
fletcher |Oh, ia that what happened. We're out of space for this issue, but
|can get you in the next.
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|crash. This was *fully* intentional.).
TB |pan: GA?
pantheon |GA
pantheon |:)
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fletcher |Well, we are thinking of going with a sister review publication
|to be put out on off months. Or we could just increase each
|infmer in size. We'll figure it out soon.
fletcher |ga
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Jkay |taza is next .. then me
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taza |What's your impression of the Show ? What impressed you the MOST
|at the show ? Was there a CyberVisionPPC at the show since it's
|now been released ? Are people still buying PPCs at the show ?
|Did you get to see Miami Deluxe ?
taza |Go Ahead... :-)
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|fantôme va hanter un autre lieu).
fletcher |Sidwind: Yes indeed. We have a bunch coming up and on deck. Send
|'em are way and we will get them reviewed.
fletcher |GA
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Jkay |fletcher: what would this "sister" publication be about?
|hardware? Software? Video?
Jkay |next in the queue after me is goody
Jkay |GA
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fletcher |BTW, I need a spell checker! ;)
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fletcher |Jkay: We are thinking total reviews with possible tutorials on
|reviewed products.
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Jkay |fletcher: I think we skipped right over taza somehow. can you
|still see his question?
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Jkay |right above mine
fletcher |Yes
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fletcher |Wow, the sowh is somewhat small but energetic. The amiga spirit
|can't be killed. I haven't seen a PPC board, but there may be
|some about. I susspect that P% might be in a bit of trouble, but
|I will speak with Bill M after this to get some personal facts.
fletcher |P% meaning Phase5.
«Nick» |sasc is now known as tekmage.
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Jkay |the question queue is linklan
TB |done?
Jkay |when you are typing replies, try to hit every 10 or 15
|words so we know you are alive during very long replies :)
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fletcher |Send me an email at eldritch@mhv.net letting me know the product
|and I will let you know.
Jkay |the question queue is linklan, pantheon, taza
TB |Standard rules guys.... type GA when finished speaking.
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TB |ready?
fletcher |ga
«Voice» |TB gives voice to goody
Jkay |PLEASE no privmsgs to the guests. they are busy answering
|questions.
goody |Is the mag in paper form or any plans for paper? GA
«Voice» |TB removes voice from goody
fletcher |Yes, paper but we have a email newsletter and a website with past
|articles for review.
fletcher |GA
«Voice» |TB gives voice to Linkan
Jkay |I subscribe to the Informer .. it's a kinda fat paper mag. good
|stuff,
Linkan |Fletcher: Is it possible to get a copy of your magazine in
|Sweden? How? GA
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Jkay |the question queue is pantheon, taza
fletcher |Yes, but the postage costs are crazy. It cost us nearly $2.50 in
|postage per issue alone. However, it's worht the $28 fee! ;) BTW,
|Thomas of Amiga.INfor is a cool guy. Met him in London at WoA.
|Solid beer drinker too.
fletcher |GA
«Voice» |TB gives voice to pantheon
pantheon |at the risk of sounding bad, what type of trouble might phase 5
|be in? also how do you manage to make a better magazine than
|Amazing Computing from the ground up? GA
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fletcher |Panth. P5 sells PPC, and if there is no one buying them, the may
|be in trouble. NOT that this is official, but a feeling. Amazing
|is a good mag too and ther is room for both. (Loaded question ,
|Ted) ;)
fletcher |GA
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taza |Is Amiga Informer planning offering more regular features, like
|tutorials, on specific programmes (ie:CU/Format offer programmes
|on CD then follow with tutorials) ? If so, which ones are you
|planning writing about ?
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taza |Go Ahead.... :-)
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fletcher |Tutorials would be tough only because we don't have the room. We
|have about 50% info for each issue that just doesn't fit as it
|is. We could do it, but our surveys indicate that it is not the
|most desired subject to cover.
fletcher |GA
TB |Jk: Status?
Jkay |that empties out the question queue. Thank you Fletcher Haug of
|the Amiha Informer .. give us your web page again so people can
|go check it out
Jkay |wait,,
Jkay |last minute request from Pantheon
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pantheon |Can you describe to us how the Informer is produced? I know but I
|think everybody else should know . GA
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Jkay |ok folks .. I've been signalled that they require downtime to fix
|the webcam,
Jkay |so we'll de-moderate here
«Mode» |TB changes channel modes to not moderated
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TB |You can speak now ya know ;)
Jkay |Thanks again to Fletcher Haug
sidewind |breathing
TheBarron |Who needs downtime? :)
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|channel.
IcePee |when's the show finish?
Jkay |tomorrow
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sidewind |a stupid question
IcePee |it's going one all night????
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sidewind |where is Sacramento?
pantheon |California USA
IcePee |on
Jkay |southern california
Lambertus |Who is Roger Rabbit?
Lambertus |(ops)
DFDuck |are there going to be more irc guests on this channel tonight?
|Sacramento is in northern Cal.
goody |Sacratomato is located in sunny Northern California
sidewind |Jessicas boyfriend? heh
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sidewind |oh that's right.. i remember now it's near Reno Nevada :)
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Jkay |NOTHERN Cali?
Jkay |whoops :)
«Nick» |tekmage is now known as sasc.
pantheon |jkay: you're obviously an east-coaster
sidewind |sasc long time ;)
sasc |=)
sasc |yah
sasc |where the hell you been?
Jkay |mmmmaybe
sidewind |in a cabin
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sasc |playing with sheep?
DFDuck |Sac is about 50 miles north east of San Fransico.
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|timeout).
«Nick» |pantheon is now known as panthBRB.
sidewind |no sheep only deer
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Jkay |Hello Tek
sidewind |DFFuck: i thought it was nearer to Tahoe?
Jkay |Hello Tek
panthBRB |doh it's tekmage again
amiwest |hey
«OP» |TB gives channel operator status to amiwest
sidewind |DFDUCk.. ugh
TB |ami: Go punch Lostman in the arm for me :)
TheBarron |you suck
TB |and I want camera proof :)
sidewind |Lostman: you there too?
sasc |SuckBoy!
«Nick» |amiwest is now known as fletcher.
DFDuck |sidewind: Tahoe is about 70 miles east by north east of Sac.
sasc |yah, lostman is here
sidewind |hey lostman :)
sidewind |re
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sasc |I'm in the hotel room... contemplating a nap
Jkay |tekmage asked for moderation
TB |10 4
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fletcher |Right, I'm back. To answer the last Q b Pantheon: We are produced
|100% on amigas using Pagestream3.3. We have a staff of over 15
|freelance writers who are assigned stories. There is a wealth of
|talented Amigans out
fletcher |there who have a lot of info to put in print We are here to give
|them a voice and give readers info they can use.
fletcher |Bye all.
fletcher |GA
Jkay |the question queue for fletcher haug of the Amiga Informer is ...
|TheBarron
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Jkay |oof .. he left. that was the last thing he had to say
Jkay |ok.
«Nick» |fletcher is now known as tekmage.
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sidewind |wow this place is packed
tekmage |Everyone!
tekmage |we have another guest for 5 to 6.
DFDuck |to reiterate; well there be more moderated conferences on this
|channel tonight?
TheBarron |tekmage: go on
Jkay |the next guest is in 15 minuts!
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TheBarron |Who?
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Jkay |I dont know who tho.. Im just old 15 minuts
tekmage |His name is Mitchell Kamarck, a lawyer with cyber-tracker.com
|(http://www.cyber-tracker.com)
sasc |Mitchell Kamarck
TeeBee |tek: dont mention his clients ;)
tekmage |he will be on at 5 pst, or in 10 minutes which ever comes first
|:)
TheBarron |he's rather boring :)
sasc |yes, don't mention them
sasc |be nice
sasc |suckboy
TheBarron |I don't understand exactly what brings him to us... ?
TheBarron |you suck
TeeBee |:)
tekmage |TheBarron: read the page or I'll have him look at your page
sasc |SuckBoy
sasc |SuckBoy
TheBarron |heheh
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sidewind |lawyers
TheBarron |tekmage: I SUCK at HTML :)
sasc |Ooh. yah
TeeBee |tek: ops
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«OP» |tekmage gives channel operator status to TeeBee
DFDuck |ya.. a lawyer? Hmm
«Nick» |sss is now known as Nutello.
TheBarron |tekmage: only Cooksey is worse.. snapper tries, but can't cut it
TeeBee |danke
«Nick» |TeeBee is now known as TB.
sasc |snapper is a wannabe cooksey?
sasc |hrm
sidewind |hey tekmage any cool arcades there?
tekmage |it will be moderated so visit the page and think of good
|questions....
tekmage |sasc: down boy
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sasc |I didn't do it
TheBarron |sasc: no.. he wants to take my title of suckiest web page
taza |So tek, seen anything COOL at the show ? Miami Deluxe perhaps ?
sasc |TheBarron: Ah
sasc |We've seen Holger =)
TB |tek: Im surprised you havent gone bonkers listening to the UGN
|Kiosk music for so long :)
sidewind |i wanna play
sasc |and a brochure about Miami Deluxe
tekmage |taza: yes miami deluxe is here! :)
BennyOne |Has the name of the new kernel been revealed ?
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sasc |in the form of Holger's grey matter only
tekmage |it look VERY kewl... the firewall options are neat to
taza |tek: Can you get Holger to answer some questions on it ?
sasc |we can't actually BUY a copy yet
tekmage |no
sidewind |call it Holger's Crystals
sasc |heh
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moro^AaA |Any annuncements from Amiga Inc. at the show?!?
sasc |Yes
taza |Wait another 30 days for the answer though...
sasc |They announced that they will have announcements later.
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sasc |=)
scuz |*lol*
TB |Lostmans standing there like a bouncer :)
«Topic» |tekmage sets topic to http://www.amiga.org/webcam <-- Webcam ;
|http://www.amiga.org/usergroups <-- Schedule of UGN IRC speakers
|[Next speaker at 5:00PM PST Mitchell Kararck www.cyber
BennyOne |Nooooooooooooooo
sasc |I meant that lightheartedly... they're working very hard
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TheBarron |it's amazing, really. Someone actually figured out how to get
|paid for viewing masses of porn
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sasc |Suck Boy
sasc |behave
TheBarron |you suck
sasc |Suck BOY
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TheBarron |you want a piece of me?
sasc |I'll kick yer *ss
taza |Barron: Having seen your WEB Page, you have NOTHING to fear... ;)
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moro^AaA |sasc hmmmm......they are very confident in Amiga community's
|patience
taza |moro: Where ELSE you gonna go ?
TheBarron |sasc: you wish
TheBarron |taza: heh
TB |Lostman Smile :)
tekmage |5 minutes till we start
sasc |moro^AaA: well, if one can't wait 30 more days after waiting 6
|years... *shrug*
TheBarron |Suckiest page on the web: http://come.to/thebarron
Dave_C |Hi Lost Man
sidewind |we are the patient people in the universe
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sasc |TheBarron: I could KEEL you
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DFDuck |Where's this suckiest web page at? I've been looking to find one
|that looks worse than my own.
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TheBarron |but if you need to order CDs from Amazon or CDNow, go through my
|page ;)
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|is Outta here.).
sasc |bah
«Quit» |scuz (scuz@diala024.ppp.lrz-muenchen.de) has signed off
|(price/performance ratio overflow).
TheBarron |sasc: put your arm down, dude
sidewind |mine is sucky.. no sheep tho
moro^AaA |taza it's a good point.....I don't go anywhere, but here in Italy
|day by day, people is leaving the Amiga.....a lot of people. And
|this is no good.
taza |Garter, even...
BennyOne |we are made for waiting....
sasc |what are you talking about, crack addict?
BennyOne |moro^AaA: so do they in France
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TheBarron |sasc: when you were talking about keeling me, you raised your
|arms.. don't ask me..
sidewind |does Amiga have a new mascot?
sasc |uh
TheBarron |tekmage
tekmage |re nutmutt
BennyOne |yes ! Petro !
moro^AaA |BennyOne I hope that the Amiga situation in France is not as
|terrible as the Italian one....
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sasc |NutMutt:
_bladez_ |why is everyone on the web cam always looking to the left ?!?!
TheBarron |France is retarded
Dave_C |You guys get Asha over there on the web cam!
sasc |There's a hot chick over there
sidewind |Gandalf re ! levely animations btw
NutMutt |tekmage! hey ho, bra!!! ;-)
TheBarron |bladez: seeing themselves onscreen, maybe?
moro^AaA |TheBarron in what sense?
BennyOne |moro^AaA: I dunno . I work for one of the two last printed
|magazine we only sell about 4000 copies ...
Gandalf |Eh?
sidewind |Asha is hot
sidewind |!
tekmage |NutMutt: did you make the meeting?
BennyOne |moro^AaA: don't you know Andrea (also called Nathan ) ?
NutMutt |sasc: You there too, huh? :) hehe
Dave_C |I have WebTV saving all these jpgs
sasc |uh-huh
Dave_C |I want one of her..
sasc |I'm in the hotel room though
sasc |not on the show floor
TheBarron |tekmage is a wuss
Dave_C |H got Scooby and LostMan
sidewind |that Nova Girl too
sasc |I'm listening to Jimi Hendrix
sasc |corrina
TheBarron |moro: oh.. I won't go into it
sidewind |sacs: do hotels there have phones?
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sidewind |cool
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sasc |sidewind: yes, with a data port
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BennyOne |what else interesting at the show ?
sasc |$.25 per call =)
sasc |my modem died =\
sasc |had to buy a new one
sidewind |sasc: is she there? tell her Sidey sais howdy :)
NutMutt |tekmage: Only after 2 hours of sleep; got up just fine, but then
|crashed back to bed.. :-/
sasc |sidewind: you gonna be here later?
sasc |I can get her on line
taza |sasc: Why not just hook up a direct ethernet to the show floor ?
|;)
sidewind |sacs: sure thing
NutMutt |tekmage; I was going to pick Todd up on the way too; didn't work
|out.. :-/
sasc |taza: we don't have squat
sasc |=)
tekmage |NutMutt: so you did go
«Nick» |TheBarron is now known as TheB-Away.
moro^AaA |BennyOne eheheh then you have a very good situation....in Italy
|only ONE printed magazione remained (and from September it will
|not be more) and as I know it sells about 1000-2000 copies per
|month!
sasc |No comment beyond that =)
sasc |let's just say, things did not go as smoothly as some of use
|hoped it would
sasc |use = us
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BennyOne |moro^AaA: yes that's horrible... hope it will be better with the
|new machnes coming on
sasc |sidewind: I'll try to get her on after the Mitchell Karmack
tekmage |sasc: we wanted Toronto like setup :)
sasc |Kamarck
sasc |tekmage: yah =\
sidewind |sacs: i leave back to my cabin in 3 hours or so tho.. i'm at home
|eating now
taza |So Tek, have you seen ANYTHING of Calif, yet ?
NutMutt |Gandalf
sasc |tekmage whipped up the toronto connection in like 1/2 hour
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|long!).
taza |Beyond the Showroom Floor and the Bar, that is.... ;)
Gandalf |Mutt of Nut
sidewind |is that DR GANDALF? :)
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Gandalf |Er, no. It's the one and only Gandalf. :)
tekmage |it's 5!
sasc |and maintained it as flawlessly as is humanly (and machinely)
|possible...
sidewind |someday all phones will come with computers built imn
moro^AaA |BennyOne yes.....however I'm happy that you have 2 printed
|magaziones in France....and if they sell 4000 copies they sell as
|the BEST italian Amiga magazine about 2 years ago. That's not so
|horrible
sidewind |in
sasc |going to the show floor
Dave_C |Hey Lostman.... when is DragonCon?
Dave_C |I will be in Atlanta for that...
DrWho |tekmage rules, AI should pay hime
DrWho |him
tekmage |I'm going to hand the keyboard over to Mitchell now
«Nick» |sasc is now known as AmiWest2.
Overtaker |Anything announced by anyone?
Jkay |sidey: this gandalf is the Eucalyptus emailer author
tekmage |we are also going to go in to moderation mode
Gandalf |That's what I meant. :)
sidewind |hey what happened to the Coke can?
sidewind |Jkay: ah.. wrong one.. heh sorry Gandalf :)
BennyOne |moro^AaA: we're trying to survive
Gandalf |NP
«Mode» |Jkay changes channel modes to moderated
«Nick» |tekmage is now known as Mitchell.
Jkay |Our next guest is involved in Internet trademark legal issues ..
Jkay |Mitchell: perhaps you could give us a full description
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Mitchell |I am an intellectual property attorney specializing in internet
|related issues.
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Jkay |the question queue for our guest is ... taza, me
Mitchell |Predominately, I work on trademark, copyright and right of
|publicity matters. GA
«Voice» |TB gives voice to taza
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taza |Do you ONLY deal with US sites or worldwide sites ? If so, how
|would you go about legally taking those in other countries to
|court ?
taza |Go Ahead... :-)
«Voice» |TB removes voice from taza
Mitchell |I have already sued two sites in Canada, works just like it does
|here
Mitchell |except the service of process is a little bit difficult. GA
Jkay |the question queue for our guest is ... sidewind, me
«Voice» |TB gives voice to sidewind
«Nick» |TheB-Away is now known as TheBarron.
sidewind |How do you get a name legally protected i mean what is the
|process ?
sidewind |like a band name for instance?
Mitchell |In fact, your name, image and identity is protected upon birth --
|in most states. Do you want to know more?
sidewind |yes!
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sidewind |like for my band.. we want to protect it even tho it is very
|sought after
Mitchell |The right of publicity protects against unauthorized people from
|commercially exploiting one's identity. GA
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Mitchell |The way to think about intellectual property is that the law
|wants to promote
Mitchell |creative works and give people financial incentive to create
|works.
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Jkay |Is there any advice you can give Sidewinder,.. where to START
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Mitchell |It does this by giving people a limited monopoly to exploit the
|intellectual property.
Jkay |to trademark his band name ..
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Mitchell |The starting point is to create something that people want to
|purchase. Has he reached that point yet? (Wink) GA
Jkay |the question queue for our guest is ... me, taza, merko,
|thebarron, IcePee ... Mitchell: can you reveal the names of a
|few of your more prominent clients? I know that celebrities are
|worried about this sort of thing.
Mitchell |The two clients that have become public are Alyssa Milano and
|Kathy Ireland.
Mitchell |You may have seen the recent dateline piece regarding Alyssa. GA
Jkay |ahh .. we can all agree that these two people are seen quite
|often on the Net .. we understand their distress :)
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Jkay |the question queue for our guest is ... taza, merko,
|thebarron, IcePee
Mitchell |At this point I represent approximately seven celebrities and
|Cybertrackers represents a few more. GA
Jkay |TB?
«Voice» |TB gives voice to taza
taza |What type of infringements have you been asked to be stop ? ie:
|Links on a page ? Audio Clips ? Video Clips ? Stills ? Rumours ?
|Do you feel that a new Amiga's ability to capture such
|information easily to be a deteriment to protecting such property
|?
TB |JK: Was waiting for you.
taza |Go Ahead... :-)
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Mitchell |Celebrities are used/abused in numerous ways. Check out a sites
|metatags, for instance.
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Mitchell |I have an article at my site at rmslaw.com entitled Empowering
|celebrities in cyberspace" which discusses this in great detail.
Mitchell |GA
«Voice» |TB gives voice to Merko
Merko |Mitchell: Been involved in any scientology cases?
Jkay |the question queue for Mitchell, the internet trademark attorney
|is ... merko, thebarron, IcePee, tuman, taza
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Merko |GA
«Voice» |TB removes voice from Merko
Jkay |if you have a question for our guest, please send a question
|mark, *not your actual question* to me, and I will put you into
|the question lineup. thanks.
Mitchell |A major problem on the Web is the different ways that websites
|attract people to sites through the use of other company's
|trademarks, people's names etc. GA
«Voice» |TB gives voice to TheBarron
TheBarron |I can't say I fully understand what you were stating earlier
|about the simple use of a _name_ being an issue to be fought
|legally. (In the case of the band and Alyssa Milano, for example)
|Can you explain this further? Was it because it was used for
|possible financial gains? GA
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Mitchell |The right of publicity protects against people using someone
|else's name etc. for financial gain.
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Mitchell |Thus, you have websites that are pay for porn sites and those
|sites will post pasties of celebrities in order to gain members.
Mitchell |That is a violation of the celebrities' right of publicity. GA
«Voice» |TB gives voice to IcePee
IcePee |Mitchell The question I'd like to ask you is. Why are you here at
|an Amiga event, what's your link with the Amiga? GA
Jkay |the question queue for Mitchell, the internet trademark attorney
|is ..... IcePee, tuman, taza, thebarron
«Voice» |TB removes voice from IcePee
Mitchell |Thus, you see sites using celebrities' names in metatags,
|spamdexes etc. all for the purpose of causing people to visit the
|site, create impressions and create ad revenue. GA
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Jkay |I believe that the local user's group expressed an interest in
|the subject and invited him to attend the show and give a chat.
Tuman |Sort of a complicated ?. I'm working with a company doing
|software for a wargame. The software itself doesn't contain any
|copyrighted info. Then there are datafiles with important
|statistics from copyrighted books. Does the c'right holder have
|basis for forcing websites to remove the datafiles? And how much?
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Tuman |ga, sorry.
«Voice» |TB removes voice from Tuman
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Mitchell |Absolutely, if the website is reproducing the copyrighted
|material than the copyright owner has a right to prevent its
|reproduction. GA
«Voice» |TB gives voice to taza
Jkay |the question queue for Mitchell, the internet trademark attorney
|is ..... taza, thebarron
taza |You mention "Metatags", is there a specific (American or
|International) law that clearly states what you can and cannot
|have in them or how then can be used ? URL would be useful...
taza |Go Ahead... :-)
«Voice» |TB removes voice from taza
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|his cape he exited. On the way out knocking a vase that went
|smashing to the floor satisfyingly).
Mitchell |Correctly me if I am wrong, but most sites have metatags.
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Mitchell |It is my understanding that metatags were designed to describe
|graphical information on a site in order to attract or educate
|spiders.
Mitchell |Thus, I know of no law that prevent the use of metatags, only
|what is contained in such tags. GA
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TheBarron |re: metatag, name So it _was_ because of the aspect of
|financial gain, and had it been purely for hit value on a
|non-commercial page, it wouldn't have been pursuable? Also...
TheBarron |re: Tuman's question about the data.. The data itself isn't by
|definition necessarily copyrighted, is it? (depending on what it
|is) but rather the wholesale reproduction of entire pages or
|charts is what would not be permissable? GA
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Mitchell |First, there are a number of different laws establishing the
|right of publicity.
Mitchell |California has both a common law and statutory right of
|publicity.
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Mitchell |But the best way to summarize all such laws is that they prohibit
|the unauthorized commercial appropriation of one's image etc.
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Mitchell |Regarding the seconf question, you are right that the Copyright
|Act does not protect certain things such as facts and
|compilations.
Mitchell |Therefore, before a company can pursue a copyright claim, one
|must determine whether the material is protected by the Copyright
|Act. GA
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TB |Jk: Status?
Jkay |one more question in the queue from tuman
«Voice» |TB gives voice to Tuman
Tuman |Could you point me to a # or book to find out more about what
|makes a compilation? Maybe a law # or something?
Tuman |ga
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Mitchell |Barron: Also, remember that the banner ads are usually set up on
|the number of impressions. Therefore, creating hits or
|impressions can be interprettted as a commercial motive.
Mitchell |Tuman: I don't have anything handy; I'll try to remenber the
|name of the recent Supreme Court case.
Jkay |TheBarron and Sidwind are in the queue now.
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Mitchell |Look at my ebpage at RMSLAW.COM for links to many sites regarding
|these issues. GA
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TheBarron |Mitchell: that assumes, of course, the existence of banner ads.
|Primarily the key to what I was asking lies, I think, in the word
|"commercial" which you used in your reply. GA
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Mitchell |The Barron: Absolutely. I can tell you that we have never
|pursued a claim against a pure fan site.
Mitchell |Let me explain what Cybertrackers does.
Mitchell |It tracks how a celebrity's name etc is used.
Mitchell |It then contacts the sites that are violating the celebrity's
|right of publicity, trademark, copyright etc.
Mitchell |If after a notification, the site does not remove the offending
|material, the matter is turned over to me.
Mitchell |I will then determine whether to send another letter or to sue.
Mitchell |By the way, this is exactly what corporation do in protecting
|their trademarks.
Mitchell |I know because I do that also. GA
Jkay |the queue is Sidewind ...
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sidewind |can i contact you when i become a celebrity? GA
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Jkay |Thanks to our guest for coming and chatting with us .. we
|appreciate anyone with the patience for this crowd :)
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TheBarron |You said that you then will decide to send another letter _or_ to
|sue.. What's the requirements as to how many times you have to
|contact the offender(s) and/or amount of time passage before
|instituting a lawsuit, if any? GA
Mitchell |If interested, I have a workbook entitled Caught in the Web:
|Legal Concerns and Practical Solutions to Internat Problems."
Tuman |Michell, could you give us contact info?>
Jkay |Mitchell: do you have a full website URL or an email ddress?
Mitchell |If you would like a copy send me an e-mail at
|mkamarck@rmslaw.com.
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Jkay |thank you again!
Mitchell |TheBarron: I look at the website and try to determine the ease
|of contact and the amount of income being generated and how much
|a pain the site has been in the past.
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Mitchell |The more the pain, the more likely I will sue. GA
TheBarron |what do we get a copy of if we email you?
Jkay |a summons :)
TheBarron |btw- we're not moderated now, so we don't have to GA :)
TheBarron |jkay: heh
Tuman |Thanks for the help, I'll be forwarding this info to someone who
|might be able to use your services! :)
TheBarron |Mitchell: so you could just sue them first thing, no forewarning,
|if you wanted to?
aTmosh |I missed the start of the conversation, where is the Amiga
|concerned here, will you go after people using 'Workbench' in
|their products for AI(nc)? :)
Mitchell |The Barron: I'll send you information regarding my practice and
|Cybertrackers.
sidewind |i hate it when people sue me..
Womble |sidewind: You too?
TheBarron |aTmosh: it's not related per se, just that he was invited :)
TheBarron |aTmosh: related in that the internet affects us all, I suppose
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aTmosh |Well, someone should use M$ for using WB :)
aTmosh |sue
Mitchell |Visit my website at rmslaw.com and it has a list of all my
|publications and you can download there or e-mail me for a hard
|copy.
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sidewind |Womble: yup! hEya hows't the wife?
Jkay |aTmosh: Mitchell was invited by the local user's group to discuss
|internet copyright and trademark law. He's here because he's
|being courtious
Womble |aTmosh: I think the trademark is "Amiga Workbench"
sidewind |how's?
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aTmosh |Womble: it's awfully close though
Womble |sidewind: I wasn't married, last time I checked. Perhaps you're
|thinking of someone else
TheBarron |hrmm.. got some sort of error emailing you
Mitchell |A short war story.
aTmosh |Probably would lose the case, but it might bring some publicity
sidewind |Womble: oh yea .. sorry thought you were from down unda :)
sidewind |cool
Womble |aTmosh: What are they selling?
aTmosh |Womble: I forgot where I saw it, but I think somewhere in MSIE or
|somesuch, some Inet app
Womble |aTmosh: What name is MS using, exactly?
Mitchell |I represent a software game manufacturer. Someone came up with a
|game and named it after my client's game though it was unrelated.
spuug |aTmosh: what's the M$ workbench thing?
aTmosh |'Workbench'
sidewind |nice web site Mitchell!
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Mitchell |He placed it on the web as shareware and it was all over the web.
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Jkay |ugh. sounds like a mess
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Mitchell |I notified about twenty sites but nine never responded. I had to
|sue those site because if you don't police your trademarks you
|lose them. It was an expensive lesson for a few sites.
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Jkay |I cant imagine a site NOT removing a freeware game if told by a
|laywer to do so
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Jkay |it seems so /stupid/
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TheBarron |"if you don't police your trademarks you lose them" - this is
|true in a legal sense?
sidewind |Jkay: really..
fibbs |whos the guy with the glasses on the webcam? :)
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TheBarron |Mitchell: ok.. question about your story :) What if the name
|similarity was coincedental?
TheBarron |"if you don't police your trademarks you lose them" - this is
|true in a legal sense?
_bladez_ |michael
Jkay |fibbs: he's an internet trademark/copyright attorney who just
|gave us a look into this new angle of law.
spuug |Mitchell: and could anything be done about it after that?
Mitchell |Let me tell you there are many very stupid sites out there. If
|contacted, you should always follow it up and if you think you
|may not have rights, remove it.
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d9090 |TheBarron.. yes, afaik. And you can't selectively police...
Mitchell |TheBarron: Doesn't matter if it is a coincidence in trademark
|law. The purpose of trademark law is to protect consumer
|confusion. That's why even innocent use is prohibited.
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sidewind |laws are there to protect but i think people should at least very
|least have a laywer instead of tryign to do things yourself :(
sidewind |trying
TheBarron |So simply because you may not have the resource to police a
|trademark, you no longer have the right to retain the trademark?
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TheBarron |Mitchell: but in the case of coincidental, you'd be more likely
|to warn and inform more than in an intentional case, I would hope?
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Jkay |TheBarron: if tehre is money involved, perhaps a firm will work
|on a percentage of the awards
«Nick» |Mitchell is now known as tekmage.
tekmage |TheBarron: yes
TheBarron |Jkay: what if there are no awards?
d9090 |TheBarron.. you don't have to catch everyone but once you know of
|a violation you must act, or its a sign
Jkay |OK! One more thank you to our guest!
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TheBarron |yeah.. thanks.. later :)
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TheBarron |d9090: but who's to say you knew or didn't?
d9090 |of non-enforcement which another violator can use as evidence...
|if they can prove you knew and did nothing.
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tekmage |Jkay: he said "your welcome" :)
Jkay |okies
TheBarron |when/who is our next guest?
TheBarron |tekmage is a wuss ;)
_bladez_ |tek: itchy scalp =)
sidewind |i take prozak
«Kick» |TheBarron has been kicked out of this channel by tekmage: Buttons
|buttons buttons, what does this one do?
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TheBarron |-k+c
fibbs |mitchell looked like a two finger typer.. :) just going on that
|web cam pic :)
tekmage |I was tired of that shit
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TheBarron |fiibs: not to mention the speed clued you in, too :)
tekmage |anyone log this?
TheBarron |tekmage: what? that you suck? :)
tekmage |TheBarron: I'm tired
sidewind |hey takmage (makes faces)
Jkay |fibbs: Im sure he has a legal secretary who does the typing :)
tekmage |did we have fun today?
d9090 |several ways.. the nonpoliced violator could testify, internal
|memos supoenad etc.
portnoy |tekmage: Is that newlook behind you? Tell him I said "Hi"
TheBarron |tekmage: you say that as if I care ;) You need any more mp3s?
Flar |tekmage: I logged it.
sidewind |anyone bring their girlfriends?
taza |Tek: Can you get ahold of Holger ?
tekmage |portnoy: no... newlook is at home... which person
_bladez_ |we want holger !! :)
tekmage |taza: he broke fee :)
portnoy |tekmage: red shirt?
sidewind |what ever happened to that Jason guy?
tekmage |portnoy: that is lostamn
MrVegas |does anybody know when Dr. Havemose will talk to us?
tekmage |you want holgeR?
tekmage |Holger?
Jkay |red SKIRT
TheBarron |d9090: How is the nonpoliced violator to know? You mean if you
|notified them, but didn't go any further? I would think
|notification would serve as policing, especially in a case where
|you don't have resources to do anything further
Jkay |is a dress
tekmage |will you be nice to him this time?
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Jkay |what was corinna doing hanging all over the lawyer guy? :)
portnoy |did I type skirt?
Jkay |um no :)
Phenix |bye
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TheBarron |hey.. I see Holger
tekmage |last time Theshade came in and you all ingored him
TheBarron |and the red skirt, too :)
taza |Hey, there's Holger....
TheBarron |Who is TheShade?
Lambertus |Is the screen at an 90 degree angle from the keyboard????
Jkay |SFS author
sidewind |WHO IS THIS HOlger?
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Jkay |kruse
Jkay |MIAMI
taza |sidey: You just want to bring on the BABES... ;)
portnoy |Holger, wearing white shirt
TheBarron |tekmage: maybe many of us don't know or care what SFS is? ;)
KarlosI |invites anyone interested in playing a game of freeciv to join
|#freeciv channel. FreeCiv is a TCP Multiplyaer Clone which
|requires a system equipped with either AGA or a GFX board!!
|Please join the unf, we'll help you get setup, and give ya advice
|throughout the game!!!
Jkay |oh, the guy in the red is Lostman
sidewind |bring ;em on
sidewind |'em
taza | /kick KarlosI
sidewind |Lostman... sorry i couldn't be there ;(
KarlosI |taza: get lost
KarlosI |;)
tekmage |I think we will have Holger tomorrow about 2 or 3 pm PST
portnoy |Well, tell Lostman I said hello
tekmage |portnoy: hello back
sidewind |maybe i can be a guest. heh
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_bladez_ |tekmage: wicked any ideas when he thinks he'll push out deluxe?
tekmage |taza: :)
d9090 |TheBarron.. eg, Commdore asked UGs not to use "Commodore" in
|their names, but some still do. CBM brings no further action.
sidewind |talk about wool and wool related Amiga matters
aTmosh |the picture is broken half the time BTW :)
tekmage |bladez: "about one month"
Lambertus |While it's being written
sidewind |hey Micheal..
TheBarron |d9090: but maybe they didn't have the resources to sue UGs..
pOMAc |Someone that is on the webcam pull Holger to the keyb =)
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_bladez_ |tekmage: kewl ... if it as good as he says .. that dude is a
|legend and deserves his AAA award :)
d9090 |TheBarron.. Then later Commodore tries to sue someone.. THe
|suitor could use that as part of their defense
AAlley |Is it possible that the wrong frame is beiong refreshed? The ad
|refreshes avery 30 seconds, but trhe picture of tekmage NEVER
|refreshes.
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TheBarron |d9090: _someone_, or another UG?
sidewind |is C= this considered using a copyrighted thingy?
d9090 |TheBarron.. (Actually, CBM asked that the "chick lips" logo not
|be used just for that reason.)
tekmage |bladez: he is a better coder that people say
TheBarron |d9090: it would seem that not all entities would belong in the
|same group.. UGs aren't exactly businesses
tekmage |AAlley: what browser?
TheBarron |AAlley: it's possible that NS is jacked up, or something :)
sidewind |i like Calmadore
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_bladez_ |tekmage: the dude is a coding god from what i gather.
tekmage |taza: he said he would show it to you... if you were here :)
d9090 |TheBarron.. that's probably why I'm not a lawyer.. I just know
|Commodore sent us an official letter on the issue and we weren't
|even using
AAlley |TEk: IE4. NS 44 won't refresh or even pull up a new pic on manual
|Reload
taza |Yah... Yeah... The Red Eye from Toronto... To... Nah, I don't
|so... ;)
TheBarron |AAlley: did you try what I said?
sidewind |i had to get permission from Commodore just to use the C= logo
|and the check mark logo on my CD!
tekmage |bladez: if you ever get a chance to talk to him..... you will
|not believe his knowledge
Womble |sidewind: Why did you want them?
TheBarron |Holger wants to type, or he wouldn't stay in front of the cam..
TheBarron |Holger rox
AAlley |Tek: I had the same problem witrh NS at teh Toronto show, but at
|least IE refreshed to a new pic
TheBarron |whoa.. cam go down?
d9090 |the chicken lips thingie.. My business practices class said the
|same kind of thing concerning my copyrighting of my graphic
|images.
sidewind |Womble: to sell more CDs
sidewind |i liked the checkmark logo the best but it still was copyrighted
TheBarron |oh no.. there it is
d9090 |If I know its being used I have to give explicit permission or I
|have to sanction. If I let it go, I risk losing it.
Womble |sidewind: Ah, well the checkmark you might want. The chicken-lips
|are just naff ;-)
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_bladez_ |tekmage: i wouldn't mind having as a mentor as i'm trying to get
|back into the development side of things on the amiga after 5
|year lay off :(
Harv |yadda yadda
sidewind |yea chicken-lips are best on real chickens
taza |So HARV, why aren
taza |So HARV, why aren't YOU at the show ? ;)
d9090 |I miss the double checkmark... :-/ Never was a beach ball bum..
Harv |hello from my lovely penthouse swuite at the ramada inn and
|slaughter house
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sidewind |HARV Is everywhere
Harv |taza cuz we'vre back in my room with a couple cheap callgirls
sidewind |i think
taza |Harv: That's fine, but YOU'RE our REP now... ;)
sidewind |any wine?
taza |Harv: We want MPEGs... ;)
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Womble |Harv: You'd better not be putting them on ICOA expenses...
Harv |win, whiskey, confetti, whatever's yer fantasy
Harv |i think i was on the web cam for about 2 secodnd before the lens
|broke
AAlley |Harv, at least show use some JPEG's. c'mon big guy, I'm lonesome.
sidewind |mpegs are a binary representation combining realistic frontal
|movements with frame referenced pixel menegary of everyday common
|binaries
Womble |Harv: Your backspace key is misconfigured btw
Womble |sidewind: That makes things *much* clearer...
Harv |womble i'm using a lame telnet client in windoze right now. will
|fix it later.
sidewind |telnet
Lambertus |windows telnet.. :-?
Harv |telnet with shell irc. yes.
Harv |it's a laptop in my room. so sue me :)
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taza |Hmmmm....
Harv |my amiga's on the show floor
TheBarron |why the freak via telnet, man?
taza |Harv: We do have a LAWYER online... ;)
Harv |barron coz this lapdog doesn't have an irc client on it, man
taza |Harv: Or did...
sidewind |he's cool
TheBarron |Harv: don't use that net connection for anything useful, like
|DLing a client..
sidewind |he did Alysa Millano.. (she's excellent)
Harv |barron i was in the friggin show all day. haen't had a chance yet
TheBarron |heh
spuug |Hi Harv.
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TheBarron |I just tried to DCC you
TheBarron |haha
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TheBarron |whoa
TheBarron |it works
TheBarron |I'll be darned :)
taza |Sidey: Look, Women on the Cam... ;)
Harv |barron i'm dccing into my shell account.
sidewind |woman
TheBarron |I didn't just cancel it, did I? I can't find the window..
taza | /kick KarlosI
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spuug |Harv: You'll be doing a show report, I hope?
sidewind |why did everyone evacuate the cam?
_bladez_ |looks like the place is deserted now ... end of the first day?
Harv |spuug yah well i'm kinda nailed down to my own booth but we'll
|see.
sidewind |isn't it a bit early?
sidewind |in CA?
sidewind |it's still daylight in TExas
Harv |the banquet is in about an hour
Harv |it's 6089pm here
sidewind |i just ate ice cream my hands are sticky
Jkay |it's 1805 there
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Lambertus |6089 PM????
Harv |admit it, sidewind, that's not why your hands are sticky you
|pervert
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sidewind |my Amiga is always on
sidewind |is that Corinna?
TheBarron |lambertus: 6:09.. he backspaced over the 8.. kinda
Harv |so did you have good guests chats here today?
Lambertus |ah
fibbs |Anyone know if Siamese Systems were at the show?
TheBarron |Harv: some were alright
fibbs |I'd be interested in hearing how the Siamese PCI is coming along
Jkay |Paul Nolan is there
sidewind |i lick it..
sidewind |like
Jkay |or he's supposed to be anyway
Harv |corinna is wearing a green top and organge pants or vice versa.
|real long hair
spuug |sidewinder: Likely story!
Harv |yes pauln is here.
Lambertus |Oh so that was corrinna!
fibbs |whos corinna?
sidewind |Harv: tell her Sidewinder is here
Lambertus |Red shirt, green trousers.
fibbs |that sounds vaugely familiar
Jkay |Harv: Corinna has been on and off cam. we;ve seen a lot of her
Harv |corinna is nova design's image/design babe (six feet tall)
Jkay |cough
fibbs |Harv: think you could get Paul to talk to us?? :)
spuug |Barron: who did you have?
Harv |fibbs i'm back in my room right now.
Lambertus |6 feet is what in metrics?
sidewind |Harv: how much are rooms?
Jkay |2 meters :)
Harv |12 meters
Harv |side - $59/nite show price
fibbs |about 185 cm
TheBarron |spuug: erm.. that lawyer quy, Bill McEwen, Carl Sassenrath, uhm,
|and like, others
sidewind |damn..
Harv |damn?
sidewind |that's cheap :)
Harv |just mow a few lawns and c'mon over :)
Lambertus |Wow... And I just heard yesterday that the Dutch are the longest
|people in the world since recently!
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Jkay |um
sidewind |hehe
Harv |corinna could be an albino tutsi
spuug |Jkay: what is Nolan doing these days?
sidewind |she could?
TheBarron |Amiga people use the word 'babe' loosely, I think
pOMAc |uhmm is someone attacking the cam?
_bladez_ |oh oh .. someone is stealing the web cam =)
Jkay |spuug: siamese and Photogenics
sidewind |longest people..
sidewind |you mean tallest
d9090 |2 meters is 6ft 6.68".. . 12 meters is too tall, too. :-)
sidewind |yea and Dutch don't have daylight savings time
sidewind |either
Lambertus |Sorry. yes... tallest. In Dutch (I'm Dutch) you would say
|'longest', but i know what confusion that could give in the US...
| :-/
sidewind |or watch Cheetch & Chong movies
sidewind |i wish i was longer..
Lambertus |We do have daylight savings time
Harv |the showroom was fairly well packed today.
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sidewind |er taller
sidewind |i mean
Lambertus |sidewind: ; )
spuug |6 ft = 1.8288 m
Lambertus |I'm long enough
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Lambertus |er... tall enough too
Lambertus |er... tall enough I mean
sidewind |i'm 1.8288m tall..
Lambertus |I am 1.89
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_bladez_ |woohoo .. a view to the outside on the web cam .. well something
|that looks like a window to the outside :)
Lambertus |(njeh, njeh)
sidewind |i smell like ALigator shit tho
Harv |bbl
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fibbs |that sounds tall, but I dont feel tall
Lambertus |What's bbl
Lambertus |Bibel?
sidewind |someone turn the cam towards Corinna
Jkay |no!
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TheBarron |hehe
fibbs |Lambertus: be back later
_bladez_ |nice shot of the back of the monitor :)
sidewind |need to take a shower brb
Lambertus |IC
sidewind |spuug we are lag
Lambertus |spuug?
Lambertus |What monitor is it anyway?
sidewind |that webcam
sidewind |is a beautifull thing
sidewind |how much server power does it take?
sidewind |i mean is it connected to a 64k line that can handle all of us?
d9090 |can't quite make out the serial number.. HEY! that's mine! ;-)
Jkay |what is this, the stealth cam?
Lambertus |?
Lambertus |: )
Lambertus |All of us on the cam??
sidewind |i tried it once with my 56k modem and i could only handle 10
|people ;(
spuug |sidey: have you been swimming in the lake with the 'gators again?
sidewind |at every minute intervals
_bladez_ |looks the web cam has fallen down the back of the table ?!
TheBarron |sidewind: the cam doesn't need the bandwidth, the site that the
|cam uploads too needs the bandwidth :)
sidewind |spuug: no i had gator cologne
Lambertus |hmm.. the cam's being hit by something
sidewind |TheBarron: heh i had the site on my HD using cam @ 56K
_bladez_ |looks like its still daylight there.
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Lambertus |Not many people being amazed on the other side of the room.. ; )
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sidewind |i tried to get it to feed out to each invidual computer at
|different times
Jkay |it's only 18:19 .. more than 2 hours of sun left
spuug |Lambertus: It's my nickname. I didn't know it was a Dutch word
|until later.
d9090 |_bladez_ the sun never sets on Amiga..
sidewind |therefor extending the use of clients to over 50 at a time with 1
|minute intervals
sidewind |but it's hard
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Lambertus |Spuug: ah.. I see.
sidewind |so i think you need a T1 for real use
sidewind |for conferences and child births
sidewind |ect
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sidewind |anyone here use solar panels?
_bladez_ |side: i like that comment .. hehe
sidewind |it's only good for day typing tho
sidewind |battery runs out in 30 minutes after peak time
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spuug |sidewind: I'm impressed! (at your solor powered computer)
TheBarron |Any more guests today? After the banquet?
sidewind |spuug: it's the monitor and everything :)
sidewind |spuug: i'm going all solar/wind power this fall
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Jkay |TheBarron: I think that Bill M is coming back to spill all the
|beans
Ratleto |any news yet?
Jkay |TheBarron: .. into your pants.
TheBarron |jkay: all the beans... bwuhaha
sidewind |like to be independant
jalvarez |A bit offtopic, any body knows if the BoXeR will ship on time
|(August)?
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sidewind |interestingly enough the Amiga 3000 takes up a fraction of the
|power my PC takes up
TheBarron |that hoser aborted at 74%
Ratleto |damn..wrong irc-net
spuug |sidewind: keep us informed how it goes, please.
sidewind |Ratleto: come on share with us what you just said :)
sidewind |spuug: sure thing
sidewind |!
«Nick» |tekmage is now known as Commando.
Ratleto |sidewind:the first one was "/me got no scsi-things home at
|all"...in norwegian. :-)
spuug |jalvarez: I guess we'll know that by next month. :-)
sidewind |spuug: i'm entering my cabin in a contest about fully natural
|powered homes it just takes alot of planning i have to buy a new
|fridge (12v 5amp)
sidewind |natural=alternative
jalvarez |spuugs: thanks! :)
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sidewind |anyone like Mint Chocolate chip icecream?
Jkay |um. sure.
sidewind |it's my favorite
Lambertus |Ratleto: Er Abuse ikke en Mac og PC-spill?
Jkay |whoa .. some dude at the cam
Lambertus |bzzz
sidewind |a dude.. where's the babes? :)
Lambertus |Yeah.. who's that?
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Ratleto |lambertus:aner ikke jeg. :-)
Jkay |looks like he's going to steal the cam.
TheBarron |jkay: commando, no?
TheBarron |haha
sidewind |hey dude.. speak
TheBarron |yes, commando
sidewind |he looks familiar..
sidewind |is that you tekmage?
Jkay | .. love the sideburns
TheBarron |COMMANDO
Jkay | >:)
spuug |sidewind: yeah, our radio club has a solar-panel-powered repeater
|on a mountaintop, only accessible by helicopter once a year.
Arvid |spuug: eh, what is your radio club?
spuug |sidewind: can I get sticky with you?!
sidewind |spuug: i'm starting a business selling and installing solar
|devices and panels as well as wind generators
sidewind |spuug: SURE (BRING SHEEP)
Jkay |TheBarron: he prolly thinks that no one is around, and he's
|surfing for net porn
TheBarron |sidewind: really? Tell me about the solar panels.. what is
|efficiency at these days? And prices?
Jkay |if he unzips, Im outta here.
TheBarron |Jkay: he's typing in #amiga
TheBarron |and is present here :)
spuug |arvid: it's the Calgary Amateur Radio Association (CARA)
Arvid |spuug: ah .. very good .. de K0FPC
sidewind |TheBarron: %12 or so the new galvonize crystal will bring it
|around %19 or so
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sidewind |TheBarron: they are anywhere from $29-$7000 for the panel
sidewind |panels
«Nick» |Commando is now known as CaseyHalv.
spuug |sidewind: I'll bring a sheep for you if you bring a bucket of
|mint choco-chip ice-cream for me.
TheBarron |sidewind: whoa.. that bad? Been a long time since I did my
|research, I thought it was a little better than that
sidewind |SHEEP
sidewind |OK!
Jkay |between 29 dollars and seven thousand dollars.
Jkay |ok
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sidewind |that's a deal
sidewind |!
TheBarron |$29-$7000 or $2900-7000?
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snapper |wheres RMerlin ? must be reading his mail still
CaseyHalv |(its me on the webcam)
spuug |K0FPC de VE6UUG.
sidewind |TheBarron $29 (cheap little toy about the equivelent of 4 aa
|batteries constant) $7000 (a whole friggin home )
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taza |snapper: in #amiwestta
Arvid |spuug: ah
sidewind |in the day anyway
TheBarron |sidewind: oh.. well, I wasn't talking about Radio Shack cells :)
snapper |I guess i should have told him Cooksie was here ;)
taza |VE3SWL here... ;)
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Lambertus |Casey, how's things going out there?
Lambertus |(Stealing the monitor now??)
sidewind |TheBarron: I recommend the $450-$800 range cells laser cut
|waterproof very nice about 12-18watts 5amps with blocking diods
sidewind |i have 4 of them now
sidewind |with 4 Marine type 12v deep cycle batteries
sidewind |provide approximatly %40 of all my power to my home
Lambertus |Casey looks bored (or otherwise mysterious anyway)
Lambertus |Only four of those provide 40% of your power?
sidewind |including all my computers (even at night) and lights in my house
sidewind |and studio eqipment most of it anyways
sidewind |equipment
TheBarron |sidewind: have you compared your electric bills before and after?
Lambertus |Hmm.. impressive.
Arvid |<-- sees spuug as William Tom Graham in Calgary
sidewind |Lambertus: yes one of those cells can give me clean power without
|going through the batteries for a computer and a monitor + some
|left over power for fun
Lambertus |AMIGAMOUSE IN THE PICT!
sidewind |through a regulator
Lambertus |Oh.. perhaps that was too much enthousiasm. ; )
GaFlunkey |it got moved
sidewind |only thing is the battery is essensial when the clouds come in or
|a bird lands on my cells
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Lambertus |So how can 4 of them give so much, Side/
Lambertus |?
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sidewind |TheBarron: it's nice but i want to go full alternative the power
|bill is cheaper of course for now but i want to do it just for
|the hell of it if the powergrid were to go down in case of
|nuclear war :)
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_bladez_ |hey these a few bods around the web cam now :)
spuug |sidey: do you use LCD monitors?
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sidewind |Lamertus: they are efficiant
«Nick» |Kre_ZZzz is now known as Kreton.
TheBarron |Lambertus: the thing is that power usage is usually sporatic,
|requiring high amounts at certain times and low amounts for
|extended periods of times, whereas the sun can be charging the
|batteries as well as providing power through the low-need
|periods..
fibbs |Hello people hanging around the webcam.. we can see you. :) hehe
Lambertus |uhm.. in the case of a nuclear war, the solar cells will probably
|giving enough power! ... :-/
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sidewind |the worst enemy of solar power is Fridgetors Air COnditioners and
|electric stove
Lambertus |(momently)
Jkay |WHats HOLGER doing there?
sidewind |Fridgerators
TheBarron |not chatting with us
spuug |Arvid: that is correct, although if the address is 266... it is
|out of date. 202... is current.
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taza |try #amiga
sidewind |monitors too (when you turn things on) oh and blow driers
admv0rl0n |any real news yet ?
sidewind |hair
taza |adm: Come back in 30 days.... :)
admv0rl0n |taza .... not again
admv0rl0n |*sigh*
Lambertus |I think an airco takes a lot more than a hair blow dryer...
taza |adm: Yes, Again... :)
admv0rl0n |jeesus christ
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Arvid |spuug: my Cd shows #202 99 Arbour Lake RD NW
taza |AHEM... :)
spuug |telephone... gotta go.
Gunrunner |If we spent even 1/3 of what the oil companies use for
|advertising on Battery technology Solor Power could be as common
|place as VCR's
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TheBarron |a blow dryer is high drain, though
sidewind |i plan on adding 8 more panels the new amphor crstal type
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Lambertus |Adm: Yeah. that's bad, huh?
admv0rl0n |the amiga community is being shattered by the wait
admv0rl0n |thisis bad news
TheBarron |sidewind: anything beyond the crystal you just mentioned on the
|horizon?
sidewind |then i'd have enough power consantly with 12 more batteries and
|the dc/ac converter equipment
sidewind |TheBarron: yea i can give you a website hold on..
sidewind |wind mill generators are also cool..
sidewind |good thing things about this is the goverment can SUBSITISE alot
|of your bills :)
TheBarron |nice, but not nearly so cool :)
Lambertus |They SOUND coll at least (when standing close to a big one)
admv0rl0n |at least announce the damn pc 68xxx card and software.
sidewind |in programs they are starting up
Gunrunner |wind mills aren't cost effective due to high maintance costs.
admv0rl0n |gunrunner - thats engineering
admv0rl0n |they could be.
sidewind |here's an interesting page
sidewind |http://www.energyoutfitters.com/
Gunrunner |wind mills were really popular in the US for awhile but most ppl
|could never recover the savings in their lifetime, unless you
|installed one when you were in your 20's.
sidewind |it feels good to have computers running from the sun
Jkay |oo .. admiralvorlon on Amiganet.
Lambertus |Ah.. I'm still in my 20s
sidewind |i mean to me other than the battery maintanance when the sun is
|up i just go direct and don't even worry about leaving things on
|:)
admv0rl0n |the real idea should be in australia, solar ranches could be a
|very commercial business.
Lambertus |Side: But that still FEELS like your 'spilling', right?
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sidewind |right now i'm pulling about 1amp i'm still pulling in light for
|the cells
admv0rl0n |jkay , Icould connect elsewhere if you so wish. otherwise shut
|the hell up.
sidewind |this is nearly 9pm here
sidewind |i have a tracker that points toward the light
Jkay |admv0rl0n: would it help if I gave you a big hug?
sidewind |also if you go alternative get rid of all your lightbulbs that
|use 60watts+
admv0rl0n |Jkay - would it help if you removed the damn ban on a network you
|Anet have nothing to do with these days unless you feel like it ?
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Jkay |I think you just lost me
Lambertus |Is it dark at 9 PM?
sidewind |get luminecence bulbs (heard of Indiglow? :)
Jkay |could you explain that more clearly?
TheBarron |sidewind: I won't give up 60+ wat light bulbs.. at least, not
|unless I replace them with alternative light bulbs that give the
|same amount of light with less power :)
_bladez_ |hmm .. it seems that webtv loses its way sometimes when d/l'ing a
|pic :(
admv0rl0n |Jkay - Igot lost when I was banned while not even present , but
|hey , since when does it matter ?
sidewind |TheBarron: i can give you 5watt bulbs with more power :)
admv0rl0n |lets forget it and get on with the show
sidewind |light that is
Jkay |admv0rl0n: I had no idea.
TheBarron |sidewind: problem is with the differences in the quality of the
|light
sidewind |even better than florecence :)
sidewind |floresence
Kreton |I use halogen straight filament bulbs
sidewind |TheBarron: true i don't have white light i use LED and electro
|luminecence
TheBarron |florescent sucks because of the 60Hz flicker
sidewind |red green yellow and sometimes blue
TheBarron |Halogen puts off too much heat
Lambertus |Philips 'saving lamps' are 18 W or such
sidewind |basically there is going to be a revolution in light
TheBarron |now.. if they ever figure out white-light emitting LEDs... :)
sidewind |with Luminecence ElectroLuminecence and LED 'WHITE lights
sidewind |'
TheBarron |sidewind: LED white isn't discovered yet, though :)
GaFlunkey |blue ones are what is needed
sidewind |anywhere from 7-1 watts with the capacity of full room lighting
sidewind |true heatless technology :)
TheBarron |that will be a revolution if/when found
sidewind |or.. extra super bright headlights. they have them in cars
|allready using fiber optical
sidewind |optics
TheBarron |extra super bright headlights suck
TheBarron |especially in trucks
sidewind |yea white light is the pinacle
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sidewind |hehe i hate them too but for my room they are great :)
Lambertus |How about the Light emitting polymeres being put on the walls as
|wall paper and using them to light the room, while displaying
|nice 'outside' picts?
Lambertus |makes you feel outside.
sidewind |Lambertus: heh .. science fiction :)
sidewind |i have to take a shower..
sidewind |goodnight guys
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Lambertus |bye
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DFDuck |anyone know what computer and software is being used for the
|webcam?
Lambertus |no
Lambertus |no one knows... >:->
DFDuck |¦)
CaseyHalv |DFDuck: i am using a vlab motion and Amiga 3000 right now.
Lambertus |MMC, I'm afraid.....
DFDuck |Nice. I was hoping not to hear it was a PC. I wrote my own
|webcam using vidiamiga24rt.
CaseyHalv |i have an ARexx web cam with an IV24 at home.
DFDuck |Mine is rexx. VidiAmiga software has a rexx port. Then I
|optionally use AmiFTP to send it to a remote web site (which is
|what I do). Seems fairly stable, runs for hours and hours.
CaseyHalv |DFDuck: yea... same with me...
DFDuck |I havn't gotten the hang of rxsocket yet and socket programming
|to write its own ftp put. Maybe some day.
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Ratleto |g'night all.. 4.30 am here...
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sidewind |WOOF!
sidewind |re
DFDuck |Quack!
sidewind |hehe!
sidewind |cool!
DFDuck |This channel rather died awhile back.
DFDuck |No "late night" guest for here I guess.
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d9090 |Isn't Bill McEwan coming back to share the "mystery specs" with
|us? :-/
DFDuck |Oh ya! hush my mouth
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DFDuck |I knew there was somthing I was waiting for.
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chameleo |re all
Rebbi |t-rex: Howdy!
T-Rex |Hey Rebbi!
T-Rex |How's things?
chameleo |so web cam is sttill dead??
Rebbi |T-Rex: Still washing my SNAZZY DIGITAL QUILL AMIGA SHIRT in
|woolite... my wife thinks it's "very cute."
_bladez_ |cham: i believe so dude ... i think they're going to set up at
|the banquet :)
T-Rex |Heh. Well, It'll probably outlast the millenium!
Rebbi |T-Rex: And no Y2K bug, either.
T-Rex |So does this mean I can proclaim my products Y2K compliant?
T-Rex |great minds. ;)
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chameleo |_bladez_: ta Ive still got the same pic as when I went to bed 5
|hours ago
_bladez_ |cham: definitely has changed in the last 5 hrs =)
T-Rex |Someone in a brown shirt waving at us?
_bladez_ |trex: yeah that is the last pic i got from the web cam as well.
DFDuck |I think thats Casey Halverson on the cam.
chameleo |I think its from the dave conference
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Rebbi |T-Rex: Wore my shirt to our last usergroup meeting.... impressed
|the heck out of everybody.
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T-Rex |kewl. I do usergroup shirts now too. Wanna see a sample?
_bladez_ |df: yeah is it or should i say was :)
chameleo |they were trying to get rid of the lense flare if I remember
|corectly
DFDuck |I thought that lens flare was a "feature" ¦>
chameleo |:)
_bladez_ |cham: yeah they did manage that by sticking a bit of paper over
|one of the lights on the ceiling above :)
_bladez_ |df: lol
T-Rex |What they need is some real time morphing on the Web cam image!
_bladez_ |hehe
sidewind |how is everyone?
Rebbi |T-Rex: I'll suggest it at the next meeting.
sidewind |anyone drunk?
_bladez_ |side: give 'em time at the banquet =]
T-Rex |Rebbi: I'll be waiting for NASA's lawyers to call on this one.
|;)
sidewind |om
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sidewind |ok
sidewind |om
sidewind |NASA rocks
sidewind |!
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Rebbi |Nite: You at Amiwest?
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NiteFlite |Rebbi: Nope.
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Rebbi |Nite: Too bad...
T-Rex |Rebbi: that was the "breast" logo.
NiteFlite |Rebbi: Except for the free beer, not really.
Rebbi |Nite: ;-)
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T-Rex |Yeah, the kegger Amiga Inc threw is St. Louis was great.
T-Rex |Still didn't stop them from drinking the hotel bar dry.
T-Rex |:)
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Rebbi |T-Rex: Nice design, really.
T-Rex |Rebbi: what do you think of the "borg" pattern inside the
|letters?
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Rebbi |Lovely, T-Rex. Very impressive.
T-Rex |I was kinda "iffy" on that part.
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Weirdami |is amiganet broken?
Satyre |in what way?
Weirdami |channel lister only lists #amiga
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goody |Where can the specs of the new chip be found?
tarbos |it's a secret, no?
goody |Was supposed to be announced tonight sometime. I figure they must
|be on some web site somewhere.
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d9090 |Since.. Bill Mc seems to be a no-show.. adios.. :-)
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tamaron |hey whats going down anything
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TheBarron |wouldn't appear so
CyborJim |I'm capturing the logins and logouts to my HD. The more to
|delete when cleaning my HD.
tamaron |:>
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tamaron |no news eh
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tamaron |hello kreton
Kreton |Hi
Kreton |Were all waiting in #amiwestta for Bill to arrive
TheBarron |ja
tamaron |bill gates :>
tarbos |waiting for godot :)
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tamaron |seriously bill who
Kinners |Bill McEwen - Marketing Manager for AI
tamaron |oh
tamaron |anyone else show today
TheBarron |Carl Sassenrath
TheBarron |Bill McEwen
TheBarron |and an internet lawyer guy
TheBarron |uhm..
Kinners |The guy from the Informer magazine
TheBarron |yeah.. Fletcher
Kinners |Fletcher Haug?
TheBarron |ja
tamaron |carl show rebol and all his goods
TheBarron |talked about REBOL :)
_bladez_ |what did he say?
Kinners |Of course, there was Carl's wife, Cindy
TheBarron |"REBOL RULEZ"
TheBarron |heh
_bladez_ |hehe
_bladez_ |we know that but what else :)
tamaron |rsn :>
TheBarron |uhm.. answered questions n stuff
CyborJim |Where can we look at more then just an overview of REBOL?
_bladez_ |anyone doing transcripts ?
TheBarron |wait until August, beta will be avail
TheBarron |bladez: yeah.. dunno who :)
_bladez_ |or have audio from the banquet?
tamaron |not long
DFDuck |www.rebol.com
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CyborJim |I'm sure a half a dozen transcripts will find thier way to
|AmiNet.
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TheBarron |ask enough in here or in #amiwestta and you can get some
Kreton |My transript has friggin breaks all through it
CyborJim |I tried www.rebol.com and only found an overview of the language,
|a history of the author, and job openings.
DFDuck |I've been logging two channels for about 11 hours now myself.
|Except for twice when I lost my connection...
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tamaron |so kernel which one are you gonna be :>
_bladez_ |=)
Kernel |which what?
TheBarron |we dunno
Kernel |:)
tamaron |which kernel? we all want to know who you are :>
Kernel |Ah. The Be Kernel
T-Rex |No, I think it's an Army Kernal.
Kernel |hehe, actuallt, a Computer Kernel.
T-Rex |Whole Kernal Corn.
Kernel |I've been trying to find any news of AmiWest... any good
|announcement that you know of?
TheBarron |not really, not yet
TheBarron |and don't expect any :)
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Kernel |any of you been to the show?
T-Rex |TheB: you typing in all the windows at random now? ;)
tamaron |nutin as far as i know just the big dogs talking about stuff that
|isn't here yet but wil be rsn :>
Kernel |did you see on the Web directory that the Chicago Tribune ran an
|article about the amy?
TheBarron |T-Rex: uh.. no.. no!
Kernel |I was wondering about Miami Deluxe and if anyone saw it...
_bladez_ |i heard that it should be released in a months time
Kernel |any idea what the upgrade cost would be? I just registered Miami
|3.0 last night :)
_bladez_ |kernel: nope
Kernel |another question: Anyone in here using an A3000?
El^Diablo |yes
TheBarron |I'm using one to occupy space
_bladez_ |yep
Kernel |do you guys use graphics cards?
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El^Diablo |yes
CyborJim |T-Rex can change his MUI background to a high color graphic to
|realy make things interesting.
_bladez_ |thebarron: interesting use :)
Kernel |which one?
TheBarron |I wish. If I had a gfx card, I might use it
El^Diablo |PII
_bladez_ |the tower version here.
T-Rex |CyborJim: Oh yeah. that's the ticket. :)
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jim |I love our A3000 with A pIV
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El^Diablo |Never needed more than PII
Kernel |I was wondeing how the PIV works on the A3000. Like, what was
|the highest screen mode you got etc.
tamaron |see there satan has a pentium don't give in to the dark side :>
Kernel |that would be more blind, wouldn't you say :)
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Kernel |how does the PII do on the 3000?
T-Rex |Kernel: No, because we call this "Chat" not "Read". ;)
T-Rex |AmiIRR?
Kernel |AmiIRV
El^Diablo |Really great 800x600 24bit
T-Rex |Internet relay viewer?
Kernel |can you get higher?
Kernel |yep, Internet Relay View
El^Diablo |Yes but my eyes don't like it
tamaron |picasso two oh :>
_bladez_ |kernel: dunno about the picassos but i could tell you all about
|the cvppc when i get my hands on one :)
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Kernel |why is that? too small? Basically, I was wondering what the
|highest 24 bit screen could be. I've read the reviews, but want
|some real user feedback. I have a guy I could get a Picasso IV
|and 12X CD-ROM drive from for 275, but he did the modification
|for the A2000 where you separate the flicker fixer and I'm not
|sure if I want a card like that...
El^Diablo |I would like to hear about those
CyborJim |With the US Justice Department examining Microsnot raising a
|question: Should AmigaOS4.0 have a built in web browser?
Yrag |I'm using a Retina ZIII c/w Cybergraphx in my A3000
Kernel |Sure it should. We can use another if we like.
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Kernel |how is it on RAM usage? I'll be at 18megs within a week, just
|need the graphics card and I'll be set.
tamaron |no built in browser but networking at least that is whati would
|do
El^Diablo |That'l i got
gregr |Kernel: I've gotten 1024x768x24bit on my pIV. Can only get it to
|work in Zorro II on my machine though (4meg card)
Kernel |what do you have? 3000?
El^Diablo |I can get that but can't read it? Going blind(Getting old)
gregr |Yeah, an OLD 3000 (serial num 335 :)
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Kernel |wow.
Kernel |I picked up mine for 275... 9.03 motherboard.
tamaron |I have an a2000 in the closet is it worth upgrading :>
Yrag |Once I installed cybergraphx for my Retina, most apps work just
|fine.
gregr |Still, it works great. Just not as fast as it could be. Still,
|runs pretty quick on lower res.
Yrag |I verry rearly runout of chip mem...
El^Diablo |Same here
CyborJim |Is there anyplace that still sells the old RAM for the A3000?
Kernel |how is the speed.... would say an A3000 w/a Picasso IV stop me
|from making coffee when surfing?
El^Diablo |It should be faster
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Kernel |yeah, Paxtron.. 4.50 for 70NS Static Column Zips. I am paying
|121 for 12 Megs.
gregr |I think that depends on your bandwidth to the net. :) Probably
|not because of the GFX though)
Kernel |Well, with Voyager, my 14.4K modem gets 5000 CPS through my ISP
|sometimes... usually 3000 - 4000 though.
_bladez_ |kernel: per MB usd?
gregr |The AmiFAST board works well in the 3000 too. I put two 8meg
|simms in mine, no problems at all.
Kernel |4.50 per chip. Each chip is 512k, so 8 chips equals 4 MB.
CyborJim |Thanks Kernel.
_bladez_ |kernel: usd?
Kernel |no problem.. Want their number?
CyborJim |I'll check for their web site.
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Kernel |usd? Used or US Denomination?
_bladez_ |kernel: i'm thinking of selling all my zipps :)
_bladez_ |kernel: us dollars
Kernel |I thought of selling my 4MB and getting and AmiFAST, but I
|figured in the end, I would be paying about the same.
CyborJim |I have 8meg Fast and 1meg Chip, and would like to upgrade either.
_bladez_ |amifast lets you adapt zipp socket to use simms?
Kernel |yep.
gregr |I worte a review on the AmiFAST... should still be floating
|around someplace.
_bladez_ |cool :)
Kernel |yeah... you can buy it put together or in kit form.
jim |Zip Chips... $4.50 per now days..
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_bladez_ |i have 16 of the suckers for 8MB of ram
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gregr |bladez: might be cheaper just to add more zips then...
CyborJim |I tried to get old RAM localy but the guy at the only place that
|sell that old of stuff tell me upgrade to a PC.
|I got tired of that real fast.
_bladez_ |gregr: i was going to sell it all :)
_bladez_ |gregr: got 128MB in simms on the powerup :)
gregr |That works too :) I kept mine, just in case (only had 4meg
|though)
Kernel |what he really meant was 'downgrade' to a pc 8)
gregr |No powerup here; I'm playing that old waiting game... :(
CyborJim |He's telling me this in a store that is filled with obsolete
|hardware and software.
gregr |(which is why I'm on tonight, hoping to hear ANYTHING)
tamaron |powerup looks like it got cheaper since i looked last like 400
|dollars for a baby one
tamaron |was like 600 i think
Kernel |gregr: As to the Picasso IV, doe the flicker fixer board work
|with the A3000? I read something about this not working and that
|anything below the A4000 was limited to 12bit output...
gregr |Seems to work just fine on my machine. There is a note in the
|manual about being limited to 12bit output, but I haven't seen it.
CyborJim |I'm tired of otherwise cool fonts that could be better if each
|letter was random. :Like in a cursive font if you put "iii" then
|each i can be different, random. But that's not how fonts are
|done today.
Kernel |Hm. Any experience with the GVP spectrum?
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gregr |None here.... the pIV was my first GFX board. I was "lucky" to
|get it. :)
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Kernel-1 |Me Kernel :) (As if you didn't guess)
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CyborJim |Cool. Now I can open my A3000, write down the information, then
|order more RAM from Paxtron.
Kernel-1 |what information do you need?
Kernel-1 |1-888-paxtron
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CyborJim |I need to see which size chips are in my system.
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tamaron |did the powerups for a2000 come out
Kernel-1 |I don't think you'll need to do that, but I guess it wouldn't
|hurt. It uses either Static column zips or Page Mode Zips, and
|Page Mode are more expensive (I think 8.00 per chip). Basically,
|all you need to know is how many chips to order.
gregr |I thought the static columns were the more expensive ones...
Kernel-1 |i thought that before too until I saw the advertisement.
gregr |(They use page mode chips on SIMMs and the SCs are supposed to be
|faster)
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gregr |Perhaps it's a typo/misprint? Either that or the ad writer
|doesn't have a clue? :)
Kernel-1 |Well, they had two prices on their site for SC Zips... 4.50 and
|7.00, and I'm looking at the July issue of Amazing Amiga, and it
|says 4.95. When I called, I asked them, and they said it was
|4.50.
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gregr |Hmm... maybe they just have too many SC chips...
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Kernel-1 |I'm running on 6MB right now, and it's tight when riding the web.
| Voyager sometimes locks up because of RAM. I'm currently
|running in 16 color Hi Res interlace witha 718 x 478 screen.
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fibbs |did Bill show up??
tamaron |no
gregr |I cheat and use my PC for web surfing. It's got the 56k modem.
|:-/
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Kernel-1 |Does a graphics card make the amy comparable toa PC when surfing?
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tamaron |me to gregr
gregr |To be honest, haven't surfed with my amiga since the GFX card.
|It's in a room w/o a phone line.
Kernel-1 |blasphamy!
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tamaron |:>
gregr |tamaron: yes?
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gregr |I know, it's terrible. :( I do development work on my Amiga, so
|hopefully that helps make up for it.
tamaron |cheater like me 5x86 for me though
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Kernel-1 |o.k., I'll let you off then :)
«Nick» |BarronThe is now known as TheBarron.
gregr |That's why it's in a room w/o a phone... so noone can bother me.
|:)
Kernel-1 |anyone know if there is still going to be a show in Ohio in
|October?
gregr |Haven't heard otherwise. They're talking it up on the Amiga.com
|site.
Yrag |My retina ZIII on an A3000/25 is not as fast as my P100 S3
|displaying jpegs...
gregr |(that one I get to go to. I'm in Cleveland. :)
Kernel-1 |I really want to attend. My sister lives in columbus... I'll
|leave the woman with her and my nephew and go to the show :)
Nite_Hawk |that comes as a suprise?
gregr |I've been to Columbus both years. It was pretty good, though
|last year was much better than the first.
Kernel-1 |I basically just want to be able to surf with more color. I
|could go for a 175.00 Spectrum, but that only has 2MB of RAM on
|it. I thought of a PIV because it's got 4MB and it's one of the
|latest, but that is 379.00. I'm so confused...
Kernel-1 |if I go we'll have to get together.
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tamaron |www.softhut.com there is a used pic for 175
Nite_Hawk |how about a 4meg Cybervision 64/3D?
Kernel-1 |Well, I heard they were discontinued, and there is no
|passthrough, except for the extra 120.00 one.
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DFDuck |arn
«Nick» |Satyrway is now known as Satyre.
arnold |hi dfd
Kernel-1 |did anyone else hear of the 64/3D being discontinued and why?
jcompton |Kernel: P5 wants to push the PPC-specific products, apparently.
tamaron |p5 and ppc split eh
tamaron |They are going to do the soft emul thing are they not
Kernel-1 |jcompton of Amiga Report? (Probably Dumb Question)
jcompton |tamaron: It seems to be a possibility (Haage and Partner have
|been developing an emulator for a while now) and with reports
|that Motorola will shortly cancel all 68K production, it's rather
|necessary.
jcompton |Kernel: Yes.
Kernel-1 |Hmmm... is there a mailing list for Amiga Report, or is it just
|available on the web now?
tamaron |yeah i guess that would make it necessary
jcompton |Kernel: There's still a mailing list although you get a LOT of
|mail. (it's hundreds of K long, and then UUencoding increases
|the size 33%).
jcompton |Kernal: With the really infrequent release schedule you're
|probably just better off either on the announcement list, or just
|watching Aminet NEW and the websites.
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jcompton |The announce list is at majordomo@ninemoons.com, put "subscribe
|areport-announce" in the body.
jcompton |I will put out a new issue some damn day soon.
Kernel-1 |the announcement list will be fine. thanks for the info.
gregr |Jason: is it easier on your resources not to have to mail the
|whole thing around? I'm still subscribed from long ago...
Kreton |new pic on webcam
Kreton |*beep*
Kernel-1 |are you guys still getting me?
jcompton |gregr: It's not my resources, it's sent from Ninemoons (Fred
|Fish's company). If I was still putting out AR biweekly I'd say
|yes, but it's so infrequent now it doesn't seem to be a problem.
TheBarron |no
jcompton |gregr: He hasn't complained yet.
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gregr |That's true: I wasn't thinking about the ninemoons connection. I
|already get lots of mail from there (the GG lists), so I doubt
|the system knows the difference. :)
gregr |(I know he doesn't like a lot of FTP traffic though. Apparently
|really bogs things down)
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«Nick» |amiwest2 is now known as Commando.
Commando |re all ...
Commando |sorry for the delay all ..
Cryto |Hmm, the webcam address aint resolving?
TheBarron |Commando: where the freak is Bill?
Cryto |n/m..
Commando |i thought that the banquet was going to be handled like St. Louis
Cryto |Hi Commando
Commando |TheBarron: bill ... as in from Amiga inc?
TheBarron |Commando: but?
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Commando |hi cryto
TheBarron |yeah.. Bill McEwen
NANh |So uh, how's the show going?
Commando |TheBarron: well, he is from Amiga inc.
Commando |we gave the security guard here access to IRC ..
Commando |you might see him on the webcam ..
Commando |the black guy
TheBarron |yes.. he was supposed to type at us tonight.. Bill
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Commando |well, there were some interesting things said .. nothing new...
jcompton |Commando: Sounds like a contradiction to me.
TheBarron |heh
Commando |i had to save the day for their video presentation ... lol ...
NANh |No comments on the show?
Commando |well, they officially reported the 400mil pixels/sec crap ..
Cryto |Hey Commando, someone used to use that nick way back when, that
|was associated with the Argent networking board... You him, or??
|:)
Commando |going to be posted on the web page..
TheBarron |Cryto: yes
TheBarron |Casey Halverson
NANh |commando: Your mug has been stuck onthe camera for hours.
T-Rex |commando: so they are commiting to the specs of the unknown chip?
TheBarron |not for the past 30 mins or so, though :)
Commando |NANh: fixed now ...
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Commando |T-Rex: yes ..... AT LEAST>
Commando |: they commit to the minimum
Commando |here are the specs:
Commando |400,000,000 24bit textured mip pixels sec ....
Commando |we dont' know what mip pixels are yet..
Nite_Hawk |wonder if those are AA..
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Commando |also, the chip was called a: Multimedia RISC ...
Kernel |q: Where do I get the WebTV for Voyager, and will it be
|successful on a 6MB A3000 ECS system?
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Kernel |Multimedia Risk?
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NANh |How was the banquet?
Mitchman |Kernel: ftp://ftp.thule.no/pub/uts/WebTV11.lha
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_bladez_ |kernel: no need for V to use webtv .. webtv is an app in its own
|right.
Commando |the banquet was OK ...
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Commando |oh, and also, we (who attended) were bidded not to talk to
|outside of amiga ...
Commando |or spread what was said (?)
NANh |huh?
Commando |there was some stuff said which would not go well ....
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RMerlin |That's the most ridiculous statement I've heard in ages.
TheBarron |outside of amiga?
DFDuck |Kernal: And yes, it works on ECS. Working for me anyway with 8M
|ram.
Commando |i agree .... to a certain point..
Kreton |thats ok, you can talk to us
Mitchman |unless you signed a NDA, that's academic :)
TheBarron |here, here
Commando |Mitchman: well, telling what they will do will not benifit the
|amiga ..
T-Rex |How can there be specs on a chip that dosent exist yet, one
|wonders...
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TheBarron |then why'd they say? :)
Commando |the specs of the chip exist..
fibbs |Commando: could you repaste what you've just said? I missed some
|of what you said...
Mitchman |T-Rex: it exists, just not in production
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RMerlin |So people who can't afford to be at their stinkin' banquet are
|just too stupid to be told the same thing, eh?
Commando |the system which demos 4 mpeg streams and 400mil pixels sec
|exists... prototype .. but it does.. and meets minimum reqs
T-Rex |Rmerlin I think they meant outside the Amiga community.
Commando |no, everyone can come to the banquet ... Bill flipped out over
|the show director.
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TheBarron |which Bill? McEwen or Borsari? :)
Commando |Bill McEwen ..
Kreton |Whats this?
Commando |the banquet AFTER the food though
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Kernel |whoever sent me that: thanks :) Was in the background loading
|AmFTP when Cartman started yelling about things going in and
|coming out of his ass :)
Kreton |Rainbows?
Commando |hmmmm...
fibbs |Kernel: haha :)
RMerlin |What a joke.
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T-Rex |Kernel: You are quite welcome.
TheBarron |Commando: so is that it? Is that all that was said?
Commando |we got to see OS layers and block diagrams...
Kreton |Early days it would seem
Commando |Carl Sassenrath uncovered old pre-commodore day slides -- of the
|hardware in 74xxx series chips !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
arnold |hows os 4?
fibbs |Commando: I think I've seen that on the cybergraphx homepage
NANh |Who was actually there?
_bladez_ |fibbs: same here.
Commando |The price of the dev system is up a few hundred more..
fibbs |arnold: ohhh.. non-existant. you know how it is. :)
Commando |<1300 ...
Commando |USD
Commando |oh, and we don't have an OS yet..
fibbs |Commando: that includes OS, Siamese PCI and PC?
TheBarron |you mean, no kernal?
Commando |but someone accidently loaded a PowerPoint presentation with a
|certain company name on it we "oh sh*t, get that off the
|screen..."
Commando |we = he (Bill W)
fibbs |haha!
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Commando |fibbs: yes...
fibbs |which company name was it? :)
tamaron |:>
Kreton |and,,,
Commando |they are not making the amiga classic pci card an option..
fibbs |well thats not a bad price then.
Commando |it wouldn't be nice to say...
Commando |i gotta do more research before i go on ..
TheBarron |freaking A, we're gonna beat you
Kreton |yeah, yr mother
TheBarron |it wasn't NDAed or anything
TheBarron |what the freak was the name?
_bladez_ |but surely not everyone at the banquet was under NDA?!
Cluster |Anything new/cool at AmiWest98?
Commando |TheBarron: Before i start going off on names, i need to figure
|out if it was something TOTALLY IRRELEVANT.
_bladez_ |or did one have to sign their life away before they could enter
|the banquet room?!
Commando |no, we weren't under NDA ...
Mitchman |Commando: was it by any chance Netscape, Sun or Adobe?
tamaron |yes bill cussed :>
Commando |no ...
Commando |never heard of the name it was titled.
TheBarron |Commando: and how do you propose you'd find out if it was
|relevant or not?
tamaron |ms people ms
TheBarron |then tell us and let us make our own decisions
TheBarron |we're big girls
T-Rex |They were ENCOURAGED not to spread this outside of the Amiga
|community.....
d9090 |Commando.. SGS Thomson?
TheBarron |We're Amiga community
Kreton |yeah
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Mitchman |Texas Instruments?
Commando |should i just go off on the amiga's marketing stradegy and tell
|the world? its target? so MS or some other company can "make
|sure of it"
Kreton |good old TI
TheBarron |oh whatever dude
TheBarron |as if MS cares
fibbs |TheBarron: never hurts to be careful.
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Kreton |MS considers the Amiga 'insignificant'
tamaron |everyone get drunk like last show
Commando |becides, it is totally irrelevant .. just as i thought..
tamaron |:>
T-Rex |dosen't matter how far it goes before they find out. If they
|want it, they will get it or kill it. We all know that by now.
Mitchman |Commando: if MS cared they would have been there
TheBarron |then tell us :)
TRue |Commando: if it's the right marketing it can't hurt.
arnold |gates, allways has his spys, at thing like that so he can copy it
TheBarron |as if
TheBarron |arnold: have you been to an Amiga show?
arnold |nope
Kreton |Gates wouldn't take any notice
TheBarron |arnold: it's obvious you haven't :)
fibbs |Commando: what else can you tell us?
Kreton |Commando: Keep going
tamaron |anything said of p5 or any of those guys around
Kreton |How did the birth go
T-Rex |MS spies will be shot on sight! ;)
fibbs |Commando: we were told this afternoon that they were looking at
|different MMC processors.. not just one. They said they were
|going to give us specs for these systems..
Commando |alright ... i verified ... we got the name right this time ..
Commando |anyway, here's all of the info ..
TheBarron |fibbs: they lied :)
arnold |would hope so
Commando |Alphametric
Commando |thats all we know ..
Mitchman |eh
tamaron |sounds strange
fibbs |okay, time to break out the search engines!
Cryto |Commando: I thought the CPU was gonna be an all in one chip? New
|Custom chip, and CPU all in one???
AAlley |I already shearched. Not much
tamaron |mediagx :>
Kernel |tRex: can you give me a quick tutor on getting the amiwest pic...
|I have web tv running, but the docs are huge...
Commando |parent company .... PalTek
gregr |There is an www.alphametric.com.. not sure it's related. :(
gregr |then again... :)
AAlley |It's a hi tech consulting firm.
Commando |www.alphametric.com --- go to PalTek from that page..
Commando |the parent company creates ICs (CMOS)
Mitchman |interesting
Mitchman |cat is out of the bag
TheBarron |AlphaMetric Inc.
TheBarron |Consultation of U.S. start-ups and Japanese companies in
|high-tech market; business alliance between the United
TheBarron |States and Japan; and provider of PR to Japanese market.
MrFloppy |Our parent company is PalTek.
MrFloppy |Background:
MrFloppy |Paltek was founded by Tadahito Takahashi in 1982, as an importer
|and distributor of innovative ICs and software. Originally
|offering MMI PAL, in 1984 Paltek introduced CMOS PLDs and
|development systems to the Japanese market. It has built its
|business with Altera high-density EPLDs and development systems,
|and continues to leverage its technical expertise to launch new
|products and services. Paltek has been honored with a directorship
|in the Distributor's Asso
MrFloppy |Semiconductors, and chairs the Trade Mission Committee.
Commando |the parent company makes some killer reprogrammable
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AAlley |They have a slow website
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tamaron |they have a japanese web site
tamaron |:<
fibbs |tamaron: yeah it looks stuffed. :)
fibbs |hehe
fibbs |"Alphametric" then the rest is in binary. :-)
Commando |can anyone read jap?
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TheBarron |Burlingame, CA.....
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AAlley |Where's Kyoto when you need him.
MrFloppy |sounds like an consulting company..
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MrFloppy |Our consulting practice is focused on helping companies develop
|strategies for new technology markets and on creating alliances
|between US start-ups and Japanese companies in the high-tech
|industry.
MrFloppy |
MrFloppy |Our strength is in our analytical skills for exploring
|possibilities and for quantifying business realities. We apply
|these skills to help clients develop new business models in
|emerging technology markets.
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MrFloppy |We bring unique value to high-tech business alliances with our
|networks of professional contacts among Silicon Valley
|entrepreneurs and among executives in the largest Japanese
|companies.
MrFloppy |Typical Projects:
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AAlley |Pictures of their offices at http://www.paltek.com/facility.htm
MrFloppy |•Analyze investments in Silicon Valley start-ups. •Investigate
|high-tech industries to provide recommendations about strategy,
|issues, partners, and competition. •Recommend strategy for US
|start-ups to enter Japanese markets. •Promote co-development
|projects with start-ups and universities. •Assess business models
|for online business.
Mitchman |note that this Paltek/Alphametric company might just be a partner
|and not the MMC creators
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fibbs |well.. if this IS the same Alphametric AI are dealing with, then
|it looks like AI are taking things seriously.
Kreton |geez
MrFloppy |US References:
MrFloppy |•BackWeb, ClickOver, Firefly, Focalink, Marimba, Netscape,
|Pointcast, Yahoo!
MrFloppy |Japanese References:
MrFloppy |•Dentsu, Fujitsu, NEC, NTT, PalTek, Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba
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Kernel |nope.
Kernel |no... one is starting to dload...
fibbs |Commando: got anythinig else to say?
fibbs |Commando: any tiny morsel of information or news...
TRue |Sounds impresssive but where does it leave the community?
d9090 |CMOS, eh? ... SGS Thomson has a new CMOS technology ("HCMOS-8"
|.18micron copper prototyping in 2Q99.) Their last process
|HCMOS-7 took one year from incept to useable commercial products.
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fibbs |TRue: in good hands? everyone flames amiga inc for their silence,
|but its obvious that they are working hard behind the scenes.
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Yrag |I'm off
TheBarron |why do pages have buttons in english but text in other languages?
TRue |Fibbs: Sorry, I'm tired of buying, I want to earn.
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Cluster |DIdn't SGS Thompson change its name to something else?
d9090 |ST microelectronics.. www.st.com
d9090 |I was using sgs thomson earlier.. dint wanna confuse anyone.
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Cluster |yeah, not many people are aware of the name change
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TheBarron |enough of this stuff
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d9090 |Most of those Japanese electronic firms are also ST partners..
|Also Samsung, Philips in europe..
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Cryto |Guess I can kill the WebTV cam of the Amiga room there, nothing
|happening there...
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Cluster |Anyone know any free WWW servers, apart from Geocities and
|Fortune City?
T-Rex |Cluster: www.xoom.com Good stuff...
Cluster |t-rex: thanks
T-Rex |np
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T-Rex |Cluster: you can check out our group's site it's hosted there.
|http://surf.to/nak
Cluster |t-rex: I'll check it out
Cryto |Hey, anyone know why an A1200 would allow a HD to work fine on a
|cold boot, but on a warm boot totally dissappear from the system?
Cluster |So, people unimpressed with Amiwest?
Cluster |cryto: normally its the other way around
Cryto |Cluster: Well.. :) This one seems to be goofy... No idea WHAT
|is wrong with it tho...
Cryto |And no idea how to fix. :(
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Kreton |We'll its all over, I better git to some programming n stuff
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arnold |so anything new going to be coming out?
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Cluster |4:53pm
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spuug |Hi AES
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spuug |Hi again Arvid. Yes, your callbook CD has my address correct.
Arvid |spuug: heh .. I did not check Saturday .. I was the a hamfest in
|Kansas City MO .. I should have looked for a new CD
Arvid |spuug: I need to fix some more annoyances with my search program
spuug |Is it the QRZ CD?
Arvid |spuug: correct QEZ CD
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Arvid |QRZ
Arvid |ecchh
Arvid |fingers in wrong place
spuug |Cluster: AFAIK, yes.
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Cluster |Multitask was here a while ago, he was very annoyed with Amiwest
spuug |What, that there was nothing to be annoyed about?
Cluster |yeah, that the show was a flop due to low attendance
Cluster |That no new revolutionary news was given
spuug |Arvid: are you writing a search program so you can use the CD on
|an Amiga?
Arvid |spuug: wrote the first version in 1995 .. it is up to about
|version 9 now
spuug |Cluster: I wish I was there, but this is the best I can do. :')
Cluster |feh, this sucks. Windows uses the highest portions of RAM
|*first*. If your ram is bigger than the cacheable area, the
|non-cached ram gets used first. That sucks.
Cluster |yet another shining example of brilliant software
spuug |Arvid: I admire your perserverance.
Arvid |spuug: oh ok
Arvid |spuug: right now my main interest is in Amateur Radio ballooning
spuug |Cluster: you mean there are some areas of memory that the cache
|can't handle?
Cluster |spuug: I'm in Australia, slightly expensive to fly over for a
|computer show ;-)
Cluster |I wouldn't even visit E3 or Comdex
Arvid |spuug: and that means that right now I have to write software
|which runs on clone computers
spuug |Arvid: putting cameras and such up?
Cluster |spuug: If for example, on a 430TX chipset motherboard you have
|512kb L2 cache, and you have more than 64Mb of RAM, then anything
|above 64Mb cannot be cached
Arvid |spuug: cameras, GPS, even audio devices and scientific
|experiments by grade school and high school students
Arvid |spuug: and the occasional simplex repeater
spuug |Arvid: oh! I know what that's like -- I'm doing win95
|development now, and hating every moment of it.
Cluster |spuug: I have a feeling Intel crippled the 430TX just so that
|they'd sell more P-II's
Arvid |spuug: ah well, yeah
Cluster |spuug: I have 64Mb of SDRAM in this VX-Pro motherboard, so I
|can't really go above that. I'd have to get a new MB
jakobX |cluster: dont use an intel chipset then
spuug |Cluster: that's just one incredibly broken machine architecture.
jakobX |cluster: and noncached memory isnt a big performance hit anyway
Cluster |jakobzx: thats one solution
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FireSt0rm |Heyz
FireSt0rm |Any newz?
spuug |Arvid: have you been hit by any GPS altitude restrictions yet?
|:-)
Cluster |Win95 also seems to use as much physical ram as you have, then
|grab more virtual ram just for the hell of it. My brother has
|128Mb in his P-II machine, and virtual mem is still used a lot
Cluster |jakobx: it is a hit
Cluster |jakobx: compare the average latency of 40ns for SDRAM, and 6ns to
|10ns for L2 cache
jakobX |cluster: only a couple of percent
Arvid |spuug: the GPS's which we fly are all Motorola, with no altitude
|limit. They do have a 999 knot speed limit
_bladez_ |cl: doesn't windoze95 suffer a performance managing memory above
|64MB?
spuug |hiya FireStorm, what's that burning?
jakobX |bladez: not windows itself but some motherboards do
FireSt0rm |hehe..not cds tonite...hehe
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Arvid |spuug: the highest reported altitude I've seen from one of the
|balloons flown here in Kansas is about 111-thousand feet
spuug |Cluster: yeah, my friend put 64 MB in his PC, 'doze grabs 48 MB
|right off the top before any apps are started.
_bladez_ |i thought that the windoze memory management routines weren't as
|efficent handling memory above the 64MB mark.
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Cluster |bladez: I don't know
_bladez_ |spuug: i find it weird they way windoze just grabs a huge chunk
|of memory when it starts up.
Cluster |jakobx: ok then, switch off the L2 cache, or L2 and L1 from BIOS.
|See your system crawwwl
spuug |Arvid: ah. Motorola is good.
_bladez_ |spuug: and windoze has no means to be able to constantly keep
|track of memory ala the memory counters on the wb title bar.
jakobX |spuug: you can always take some of that memory back....windows
|uses lots of memory for cache and you can disable than
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Cluster |My 200Mhz K6 isn't pretty without any cache, despite SDRAM
jakobX |cluster: L2 isnt nearly the same as normal memory
Cluster |spuug: yep, Win95 is extremly greedy
jakobX |err..
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Corsair |great show today.. going back tomarrow
_bladez_ |cl: i cane the HD cache of my box at work and its got 64MB
spuug |bladez: I guess 'doze preloads as many DLL's as it can, or
|something.
jakobX |corsair: are we talking about the same show or?
Cluster |spuug: I have a program which reports mem usage. Running
|Netscape, an app or two, ftp, irc, Win95 grabs all physical
|memory and another 60Mb virtual
Corsair |Amiwest...
_bladez_ |erk
jakobX |corsair: i thought it was a major disappointment
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Corsair |??/ in what way??
Cluster |jakobx: I know, L2 is much faster than normal mem
Corsair |there were lots of amiga ppl there and all...
spuug |Cluster: can it give memory usage on a task-by-task basis? that
|would be useful for tracking down which of a number of programs
|has a memory leak.
Cluster |How many people attended day 1 of AmiWest?
jakobX |corsair: in the way that nothing significant happened
Cluster |spuug: yes, it can
Cluster |spuug: Netscape grabbed 17Mb of physical ram, and another 44Mb
|virtual
spuug |Cluster: what is it called, and where can I get it?
Cluster |spuug: wintop
jakobX |cluster: sure about netscape?? i can run 5 netscapes at once and
|it doesnt use that much mem
Corsair |it was significant to see a bunch of real ppl talking and having
|an even for the amiga .. again. its been a very long time in
|seeing this ..
Cluster |spuug: microsoft web site
jakobX |cluster: isnt wintop for processor usage only?
Cluster |spuug: its easier if I just DCC it to you
Corsair |anyway I had a great time meeting pl and talking amiga... and
|all..
Cluster |jakobx: it didn't matter if I had 20 or 2 Netscape windows open
spuug |cluster: eww, ugly, but okay, thanks. :-)
Cluster |jakobx: it does report mem usage
Corsair |later all need to get tosleep...
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Cluster |spuug: just dump all the files into a dir, and run wintop
Cluster |<-- lagged as hell
jakobX |cluster: it seems very basic to me....something like sysoft
|sandra can even tell you how much dlls loaded by the program use
Cluster |Net Vampire has a strangle hold on my connection
Cluster |damn
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spuug |Cluster: thanks.
Cluster |spuug: two more files
Cluster |everything is extremly slow here
spuug |Cluster: these seem to be duplicates.
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ActiveLow |any news at the show today?
laire |the news is that there`s no news...satisfied ?
Winter0 |bleh
Lambertus |Still??
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Lambertus |No banquet fun from Billy?
Winter0 |they didn't even announce the performance specs on the MMC, like
|they PROMISED?
ActiveLow |laire: what do you mean 'satisfied'?? Just asking a question...8(
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CyborJim |Wow, you guys are up late.
Winter0 |laire: so what exactly DID Bill McEwen say?
Lambertus |Active: I guess Laire himself is not too glad with the
|situation.. Can't be too happy about that.
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ActiveLow |Lambertus: Yeah I can understand that....I figured as
|much...Their plans seem to change so much, I'd hate to give any
|concrete info myself, then have it change again....
Tom-- |hi all
Tom-- |is there any kind of news?
Winter0 |Tom--: don't ask. (there isn't any.)
Winter0 |christ. we ought to just get Mitchman to change the topic to
|"There's no news. surprise, surprise."
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CyborJim |Nothing new. Nothing old was confermed.
Winter0 |bah. if this is the case, i'm going to bed.
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CyborJim |Now I don't feel so bad that the money I would have spent going
|to AmiWest went to fixing my car.
JT |next speek 5.00PM? what's the time now there?
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CyborJim |Maybe something will come up Sunday.
sasc |There is no news
CyborJim |1:30AM
ActiveLow |CyborJim: same here...except I bought a lawn mower...8-)
CyborJim |The guy didn't show up.
CyborJim |A lawn mower? You must live in Oregon.
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CyborJim |I'm I the only one that noticed that the title for this channel
|isn't complete?
CyborJim |www.cyber
DFDuck |I noticed it when it was set... hours and hours ago. But didn't
|say anything.
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CyborJim |I'll try again tomarrow. Good night.
DFDuck |The name in the topic was a lawyer dealing with internet laws.
|Mostly with celebreties being explited on the web. Like adding
|"Cathy Ireland" in your pages mega tag to get hits on a web page
|from a search engine.
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DFDuck |He mentioned "meta spam tag" which is a new one on me.
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laire |no..the rest just prefers not to talk about unimportant things
laire |oops:-)
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